Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[VerdeLuck]

So now they can force CT by overgearing instead of stripping, as long as they don't unlock any other raid. There's literally no reason to stay at 50 to force CT. Anyone can be 60 and force CT, 70 and force CT, 80 and force CT, 90 and force CT.

I don't see how this helps your argument at all, or how it disproves the idea that ilvl checks should be used in tandem with MSQ progression and unlocked Alliance Roulette checks.

You're completely misunderstanding me. As it stands they can do this sure, but they now have to keep buying higher level gear since running CT on their alts will level them up at a pretty high rate and they'll need to gear them as they hit 60-70-80-90.
If it were to take MSQ progress into account, someone could leave their alt before starting Heavensward, never progress their MSQ, and just queue forever for CT roulettes on that character.
In this current system the character eventually levels up and needs endgame gear, you can't just have a level 90 character pre-HW sitting at 90 and queueing for CT only every day.
Factoring in MSQ progress makes it much easier to force CT since you can just never progress MSQ and never have to worry about not meeting the requirements. That's another bit of trouble potentially brewing were they to make that change.

I swear, this forum just ignores 90% of what a post says and inserts their own ideas into it to respond to the post.

[Atelier-Bagur]

You're completely misunderstanding me. As it stands they can do this sure, but they now have to keep buying higher level gear since running CT on their alts will level them up at a pretty high rate and they'll need to gear them as they hit 60-70-80-90.
If it were to take MSQ progress into account, someone could leave their alt before starting Heavensward, never progress their MSQ, and just queue forever for CT roulettes on that character.
In this current system the character eventually levels up and needs endgame gear, you can't just have a level 90 character pre-HW sitting at 90 and queueing for CT only every day.
Factoring in MSQ progress makes it much easier to force CT since you can just never progress MSQ and never have to worry about not meeting the requirements. That's another bit of trouble potentially brewing were they to make that change.

I swear, this forum just ignores 90% of what a post says and inserts their own ideas into it to respond to the post.

Its honestly never about absolute prevention of CT. Its just like you cant ever get rid of every bot. Its about lessening the damage because you cant fix stupidity on the playerbase. Youre going to always have somebody doing something like this just out of spite.

[Erzaa]

You're completely misunderstanding me. As it stands they can do this sure, but they now have to keep buying higher level gear since running CT on their alts will level them up at a pretty high rate and they'll need to gear them as they hit 60-70-80-90.
If it were to take MSQ progress into account, someone could leave their alt before starting Heavensward, never progress their MSQ, and just queue forever for CT roulettes on that character.
In this current system the character eventually levels up and needs endgame gear, you can't just have a level 90 character pre-HW sitting at 90 and queueing for CT only every day.
Factoring in MSQ progress makes it much easier to force CT since you can just never progress MSQ and never have to worry about not meeting the requirements. That's another bit of trouble potentially brewing were they to make that change.

I swear, this forum just ignores 90% of what a post says and inserts their own ideas into it to respond to the post.

Uhm... I'm not speaking for the rest of the forum or anyone else in this thread, but as far as I'm concerned... no actually, I'm trying to understand.

Your example doesn't make any sense to me. Why would someone make an alt just for this? Whether they finish their MSQ or stop at HW, they're still going to be hitting the 60/70/80/90 milestones as their XP increases running CT everyday. They'll be cap on tomes they can never spend. What's the point of not progressing past HW then?

The best and easiest solution to cheesing the ilvl is to buy a boost to 80, run it up to 90 using only CT. Then you buy gear off the MB for the minimum ilvl required for a level 90 and run CT over and over ad infinitum. So, no, I don't see how factoring MSQ changes anything about the current way the system works, except it stops punishing overleveled players.

The way you describe in your example is ilvl cheesing was something players did to make players' lives harder or to troll them. That's not why ilvl cheesing is a thing. It's a way to achieve the best rewards for the least amount of effort, hence why CT is so common. It's dead easy, it's fast, it gives lots of XP and decent tomes for everyone at any level. With that in mind, no ilvl cheeser would do what you suggest because they'd never get to Endwalker and get end game gear/rewards. Much easier to have a character at endgame level, sporting the minimum ilvl gear needed to queue with only CT unlocked and just run it every day until they cap on their tomes.

Adding the additional MSQ and Alliance Raid checks being proposed is not meant to stop ilvl cheesing. The current system also doesn't stop ilvl cheesing, it just makes it a little harder. You can't stop ilvl cheesing completely without making every raid mandatory and we already know SE isn't going to do that. The proposed solution is for overleveled players not to be punished because of ilvl cheesers.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Honestly, knowing how far a player can theoretically do in order to get to the path of least resistance, I wouldn't be surprised if making an FT account only to queue together with that alt to guarantee a CT pop isn't so far fetched. Finishing ARR 2.0 isn't very long when you skip everything & do so with your main account's assistance.

To prevent overleveling? Simply bail that alt out upon entering lol.

[Erzaa]

Honestly, knowing how far a player can theoretically do in order to get to the path of least resistance, I wouldn't be surprised if making an FT account only to queue together with that alt to guarantee a CT pop isn't so far fetched. Finishing ARR 2.0 isn't very long when you skip everything & do so with your main account's assistance.

To prevent overleveling? Simply bail that alt out upon entering lol.

But then you wouldn't receive any rewards for the run, what reason would there be for this?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

But then you wouldn't receive any rewards for the run, what reason would there be for this?

That's the point: to allow their main account to get into CT.

[Erzaa]

That's the point: to allow their main account to get into CT.

Oh! I see, alright. Players are logging in multiple accounts and then leaving the alt, just so their main gets an easy run?

[PyurBlue]

You've already defeated the sense of progression by overleveling well past your MSQ point lol. This is comical. The salt in this thread only proves how correct this change was.

The MSQ is level synced for all instanced content. Outleveling it won't change much in the sense of progression. Gear is more important, and works just as well no matter how fast you level, so what you said isn't really true.

The entire ilvl check got added specifically because people would rather strip off their gear and get CT every day for roulettes than have a chance at any other duty in a roulette. How can you even ask this question?

You ignored the part about not unlocking anything but CT which allows people to control the outcome just as much as before.

So now they can force CT by overgearing instead of stripping, as long as they don't unlock any other raid. There's literally no reason to stay at 50 to force CT. Anyone can be 60 and force CT, 70 and force CT, 80 and force CT, 90 and force CT.

I don't see how this helps your argument at all, or how it disproves the idea that ilvl checks should be used in tandem with MSQ progression and unlocked Alliance Roulette checks.

Exactly.

It's almost like someone:

just ignores 90% of what a post says and inserts their own ideas into it to respond to the post.

[TomsYoungerBro]

The MSQ is level synced for all instanced content. Outleveling it won't change much in the sense of progression. Gear is more important, and works just as well no matter how fast you level, so what you said isn't really true.

Not sure how you are equating that to no loss in progression as all "level syncing" is doing is disabling usuable buttons from your hotbar. The progression is the leveling friend as the msq is majority OUTSIDE of instanced content.

Also the gear progression is there. Just buy gear on the marketboard as you level up! Its simple and easy :].

[VerdeLuck]

Oh! I see, alright. Players are logging in multiple accounts and then leaving the alt, just so their main gets an easy run?

People are already doing that, having one person from friends or an FC on a low level alt, and the others queueing with the alt to get into a guaranteed CT.