Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[TomsYoungerBro]

You're not accounting for when people sign up for raids [other than CT] specifically which was mentioned in the original post.

But this change doesn't add more CT raids to the overall queue, which is my point. It is all about probabilities. Because you can't ilvl cheese anymore, that guarentees there is a less chance for a CT raid. Will you still get CT raids a majority of the time compared to other alliances? Sure, but the overall percentage over the course of time will drop for the overall playerbase.

The gil you get when buying a boost is not nearly enough to buy a new expansion crafted gear unless like now we are at the end of an expansion. Already explained that when Dawntrail comes out that gear will remain expensive for a while. 1st raid is usually released in x.1 when the first crafted gear is still quite expensive.

This statement alone shows that you do not know anything about the endgame lmao. The crafted gear will have significantly dropped in value by the x.1 patch. Sure it will slightly go up due to the augmented upgrade, but will not go anywhere near where it starts and eventually crash again anyway. Its a non-issue. Secondly, if they are buying a level boost, they get that level's equivalent gear, so it is again another non-issue. Third, if they also buy a story boost with it, they are already on their way to accessing the free alternatives.

Case and point the alternative is there and extremely viable. If they want to continue doing the roulette, time to save up that gil!

[Toutatis]

Factoring in MSQ progress creates a new cheese where someone leaves an alt at 50 and just queues with it to force CT. Under this current system the people who want to do that are at least forced to level a new alt to beat ARR or gear it up if they do that too much and it hits 60+.

that’s ridiculous. There’s no point playing the game like this. Why would someone play the game just to run CT?
Besides, levelling an alt to 50 takes time. Anyway, there’s not even a need for alts, just start a new job or don’t unlock other raids (even the latest BiS savage gear won’t get you anything else)
You’re just making excuses for a poorly implemented system.

This statement alone shows that you do not know anything about the endgame lmao. The crafted gear will have significantly dropped in value by the x.1 patch. Sure it will slightly go up due to the augmented upgrade, but will not go anywhere near where it starts and eventually crash again anyway. Its a non-issue. Secondly, if they are buying a level boost, they get that level's equivalent gear, so it is again another non-issue. Third, if they also buy a story boost with it, they are already on their way to accessing the free alternatives.

Case and point the alternative is there and extremely viable. If they want to continue doing the roulette, time to save up that gil!

perhaps it’s you who haven’t paid much attention. Crafted gear drops fast in the initial days and then it doesn’t fluctuate that much until the next tier is released. Atm a set of Diadochos gear remained expensive even before the most recent patch, it went up a little for a couple days and it’s back to where it was with prices well in the hundred thousand gils for each piece (chest in the 400k on some servers). Classical gear remained expensive until Rinascita gear was released and Rinascita until Diadochos.

As for the xp boost, I bought both that and a story skip to join friends on a new DC. I was lvl 90 after only 3 evenings. It’s also simply not fun having to overgear as it defeats all sense of progression.

[Saraide]

Incorrect. If you've done leveling roulette with a stack of 4 you would understand that if 24 people don't queue up a specific raid, the roulette itself will assign a random duty from the list. If 24 people are selected that did not select a particular raid (which is alot of the time due to the popularity of dailies), the ilvl cheeser would force CT.

So you agree no one queued for araids other than CT then? Getting 4 people who all use the roulette grouped is also far more likely than getting 24 people. A single person not having unlocked a higher araid, a single person being below 60 or a single person simply queueing for CT for the thrill of it is enough to cause a legitimate CT run. At which point ilvl cheesers will hog up those spots naturally pushing out other people who queued for the roulette in a legitimate way. You will only get other araids if people start queueing for them directly. This has long been going for my DC since I only ever got non CT raids. I'm happy the collective believe in queueing for other raids getting easier and the increased rewards have improved your roulette experience. Some other people have a different experience in the other direction though.

[TomsYoungerBro]

So you agree no one queued for araids other than CT then? Getting 4 people who all use the roulette grouped is also far more likely than getting 24 people. A single person not having unlocked a higher araid, a single person being below 60 or a single person simply queueing for CT for the thrill of it is enough to cause a legitimate CT run. At which point ilvl cheesers will hog up those spots naturally pushing out other people who queued for the roulette in a legitimate way. You will only get other araids if people start queueing for them directly. This has long been going for my DC since I only ever got non CT raids. I'm happy the collective believe in queueing for other raids getting easier and the increased rewards have improved your roulette experience. Some other people have a different experience in the other direction though.

I don't think i stated anything about people not queueing for non-CT raids, especially with the level 90 tokens being required for tome upgrades outside of savage. In fact, people may be queueing for the other araids more now with the tome benefits, but that is besides my original point.

Originally Ilvl cheesing, being level 50/only having CT unlocked, and queueing for it specifically will force a CT raid. Now, only the last 2 apply. Saying "ilvl cheesers took those spots" is mere conjecture.

[SnowVix]

I wasn't believing it would prevent CT appearing a lot, so people who do this roulette, has it changed that you get CT?

i don't run Alliance Roulette a ton (i consider it an exp roulette and right now all the jobs i care to cap on 2 characters are capped), but i did just recently finish off leveling white mage on my alt and i got an Ivalice raid each time i ran it since the fix.

[TomsYoungerBro]

As for the xp boost, I bought both that and a story skip to join friends on a new DC. I was lvl 90 after only 3 evenings. It’s also simply not fun having to overgear as it defeats all sense of progression.

You've already defeated the sense of progression by overleveling well past your MSQ point lol. This is comical. The salt in this thread only proves how correct this change was.

[VerdeLuck]

that’s ridiculous. There’s no point playing the game like this. Why would someone play the game just to run CT?

The entire ilvl check got added specifically because people would rather strip off their gear and get CT every day for roulettes than have a chance at any other duty in a roulette. How can you even ask this question?

[Jojoya]

As for the xp boost, I bought both that and a story skip to join friends on a new DC. I was lvl 90 after only 3 evenings. It’s also simply not fun having to overgear as it defeats all sense of progression.

What content are we overgearing when level sync is the default for most content?

Anything instanced will be level synced unless you select Unrestricted Party in the Duty Finder settings. That includes solo duties which sometimes have an ilvl sync in addition to the level sync (so instead of gear being synced to 530 in a level 80 duty, it might be synced to 455).

Open world? FATEs are level sync unless you're going to stand around healing unsynced. Battle leves don't exist past level 60. Hunt elites are done in groups so your individual contribution is already being overshadowed by group damage. The daily hunts aren't intended to be challenging in the first place.

That leaves the maybe dozen quest mobs you need to kill between dungeons in the MSQ and those aren't intended to be challenging to the WoL either.

Compared to some other MMOs, overgearing content here is irrelevant because of the sync. It is normal to get gear that matches the level of your job.

The real culprit is overleveling the MSQ, which is far too easy to do even if you mostly ignore side content. Your base stats do continue to increase even if they're a fraction of the power you get from your gear. You gain new abilities that create more powerful damage throughput compared to your base combos. There's also no benefit to overleveling MSQ because of level sync in most content and MSQ progression gating access to almost all content other than some side content in ARR zones.

I would love for SE to disable all XP boosts when the job is above the level of the character's MSQ progression. It won't prevent overleveling (especially if the player likes to do a lot of side content) but it does dampen it considerably.

Or SE could take it a step further and make the MSQ progression level +2 the player's current level cap. If the character's active job is level 52 but they're doing the level 50 MSQ, they won't earn any more XP on that job until they reach the level 51 MSQ, at which point they could get the job to level 53 but no higher.

Regardless, people balking at acquiring gear appropriate to their level are their own obstacle when it comes to access to Alliance raids. They can either get the gear they need to access the roulette, or they can create their own mini-roulette through direct selection in Duty Finder so they don't have get the higher ilvl gear.

So you agree no one queued for araids other than CT then?

There naturally would be players direct queueing for raids other than CT. The problem is that the number of those players is going to be far less than those queueing for CT.
CT is mandatory, the others are not.

The MSQ specifically directs the player's attention to the Oddly Dressed Man and tells the player they won't be able to continue MSQ progression past a certain point unless they do the quest chain he starts. The MSQ does nothing to direct the player's attention to the others.

Not everyone investigates all the available side content and so may not be aware the other raids exists. The latter may not do the Alliance roulette at all, but to some degree they impact the roulette selection. That they aren't trying to do the others means that you're left with more chance of ending up in an Alliance with someone trying to do CT.

Originally Ilvl cheesing, being level 50/only having CT unlocked, and queueing for it specifically will force a CT raid. Now, only the last 2 apply. Saying "ilvl cheesers took those spots" is mere conjecture.

Pretty irrelevant who took the spots if there was already someone in the Alliance for one of the last two reasons.

I imagine almost every Alliance group formed is based around a player that is direct queueing for one of the Alliance raids even if there is no first time bonus. A lot of players rerun for glamour or simply because they like the raid, and either they already did the roulette for the bonus that day or they don't care about it.

[Toutatis]

The entire ilvl check got added specifically because people would rather strip off their gear and get CT every day for roulettes than have a chance at any other duty in a roulette. How can you even ask this question?

Duh! I was answering to your post about someone leveling an alt just to keep it at lvl 50-59 answering a post about a double check for lvl and msq progress. It has nothing to do with stripping down. Pls have the decency of putting things into context and drop the bad faith posts.

[Erzaa]

The entire ilvl check got added specifically because people would rather strip off their gear and get CT every day for roulettes than have a chance at any other duty in a roulette. How can you even ask this question?

So now they can force CT by overgearing instead of stripping, as long as they don't unlock any other raid. There's literally no reason to stay at 50 to force CT. Anyone can be 60 and force CT, 70 and force CT, 80 and force CT, 90 and force CT.

I don't see how this helps your argument at all, or how it disproves the idea that ilvl checks should be used in tandem with MSQ progression and unlocked Alliance Roulette checks.