Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Erzaa]

The entire ilvl check got added specifically because people would rather strip off their gear and get CT every day for roulettes than have a chance at any other duty in a roulette. How can you even ask this question?

So now they can force CT by overgearing instead of stripping, as long as they don't unlock any other raid. There's literally no reason to stay at 50 to force CT. Anyone can be 60 and force CT, 70 and force CT, 80 and force CT, 90 and force CT.

I don't see how this helps your argument at all, or how it disproves the idea that ilvl checks should be used in tandem with MSQ progression and unlocked Alliance Roulette checks.

[VerdeLuck]

So now they can force CT by overgearing instead of stripping, as long as they don't unlock any other raid. There's literally no reason to stay at 50 to force CT. Anyone can be 60 and force CT, 70 and force CT, 80 and force CT, 90 and force CT.

I don't see how this helps your argument at all, or how it disproves the idea that ilvl checks should be used in tandem with MSQ progression and unlocked Alliance Roulette checks.

You're completely misunderstanding me. As it stands they can do this sure, but they now have to keep buying higher level gear since running CT on their alts will level them up at a pretty high rate and they'll need to gear them as they hit 60-70-80-90.
If it were to take MSQ progress into account, someone could leave their alt before starting Heavensward, never progress their MSQ, and just queue forever for CT roulettes on that character.
In this current system the character eventually levels up and needs endgame gear, you can't just have a level 90 character pre-HW sitting at 90 and queueing for CT only every day.
Factoring in MSQ progress makes it much easier to force CT since you can just never progress MSQ and never have to worry about not meeting the requirements. That's another bit of trouble potentially brewing were they to make that change.

I swear, this forum just ignores 90% of what a post says and inserts their own ideas into it to respond to the post.

[Erzaa]

You're completely misunderstanding me. As it stands they can do this sure, but they now have to keep buying higher level gear since running CT on their alts will level them up at a pretty high rate and they'll need to gear them as they hit 60-70-80-90.
If it were to take MSQ progress into account, someone could leave their alt before starting Heavensward, never progress their MSQ, and just queue forever for CT roulettes on that character.
In this current system the character eventually levels up and needs endgame gear, you can't just have a level 90 character pre-HW sitting at 90 and queueing for CT only every day.
Factoring in MSQ progress makes it much easier to force CT since you can just never progress MSQ and never have to worry about not meeting the requirements. That's another bit of trouble potentially brewing were they to make that change.

I swear, this forum just ignores 90% of what a post says and inserts their own ideas into it to respond to the post.

Uhm... I'm not speaking for the rest of the forum or anyone else in this thread, but as far as I'm concerned... no actually, I'm trying to understand.

Your example doesn't make any sense to me. Why would someone make an alt just for this? Whether they finish their MSQ or stop at HW, they're still going to be hitting the 60/70/80/90 milestones as their XP increases running CT everyday. They'll be cap on tomes they can never spend. What's the point of not progressing past HW then?

The best and easiest solution to cheesing the ilvl is to buy a boost to 80, run it up to 90 using only CT. Then you buy gear off the MB for the minimum ilvl required for a level 90 and run CT over and over ad infinitum. So, no, I don't see how factoring MSQ changes anything about the current way the system works, except it stops punishing overleveled players.

The way you describe in your example is ilvl cheesing was something players did to make players' lives harder or to troll them. That's not why ilvl cheesing is a thing. It's a way to achieve the best rewards for the least amount of effort, hence why CT is so common. It's dead easy, it's fast, it gives lots of XP and decent tomes for everyone at any level. With that in mind, no ilvl cheeser would do what you suggest because they'd never get to Endwalker and get end game gear/rewards. Much easier to have a character at endgame level, sporting the minimum ilvl gear needed to queue with only CT unlocked and just run it every day until they cap on their tomes.

Adding the additional MSQ and Alliance Raid checks being proposed is not meant to stop ilvl cheesing. The current system also doesn't stop ilvl cheesing, it just makes it a little harder. You can't stop ilvl cheesing completely without making every raid mandatory and we already know SE isn't going to do that. The proposed solution is for overleveled players not to be punished because of ilvl cheesers.