Oh my bad, I forgot to include the MMOYou probably haven't played ff11 during the level 75 cap era that had so much grind it took months/years to get relics and various other endgame weapons/gear or even just to get to lvl 75. It could take over a year just to get a base relic from dynamis let alone the long process for each upgrade.



FF11 and ff1-3 I would also consider the only semi/extreme hardcore in terms of grind but all the other single player games since after ff3 does seem to have got significantly easier. Even ff14 had decent long term grinds and somewhat hard content during arr and heavansward if you don't include 1.0 which was closer to ff11 style grind. But now ff14 seems to be catering more towards single player ff fans that sees the word mmo and hesitate to play.
That is when the true Vana'diel of legend will be reborn.
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