Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[Stormpeaks]

That's not even close to what I'm saying, I set my own goals in the game. I run MINE content, I use special gear combos to run content on old levels of power. The challenge is fun.
I run content blind because it's fun. I don't ask for the game to box me into something to grind, I take what exists in the game and make it my goal.

If you need the devs to lock relics behind fate grinds because you want to run 100 fates but won't do it unless it's the only way or the easiest way to earn it, that's weird. If you want to do old content but need the devs to give you an exclusive reward for doing old content, that's weird. If you need the devs to not offer alternate ways to earn relics because you have no self control and will run the shortest path through the grind every time even if you hate it that's weird.
These forums are one of the few places I've seen people complain about too many options to unlock content. You can do literally whatever you want and in that field of choices, you choose the fastest, easiest way and then get mad at Square Enix for allowing you to do that to yourself and for making it too easy.

It's like someone booting up dark souls, grabbing the most broken tools imaginable, and then being mad at the developers for not forcing them to run it with a more difficult to use build. You chose this out of a wide variety of options. It's not up to the developers to put up kiddie rails to keep you from chasing the fastest path to the end and then being mad at yourself when it's too easy. Everything at level 90 gives tomes, pick the thing you like and do that to have fun, and progress your relic.

You are literally telling people they should make it difficult on themselves or grind for it for... no reason at all

That's like getting savage gear and telling yourself "I am not using it until I've done savage 10 times" Just why ?

it's absolutely ridiculous lol, stop.

[VerdeLuck]

You are literally telling people they should make it difficult on themselves or grind for it for... no reason at all

That's like getting savage gear and telling yourself "I am not using it until I've done savage 10 times" Just why ?

it's absolutely ridiculous lol, stop.

Not immediately chasing the shortest path through all content when given a choice is akin to not using gear you already have?
This is absolutely ridiculous, you seriously can't be this bad reading that this is what you took away from my post right?

[Stormpeaks]

Not immediately chasing the shortest path through all content when given a choice is akin to not using gear you already have?
This is absolutely ridiculous, you seriously can't be this bad reading that this is what you took away from my post right?

You are literally missing the point of what I am saying, you are telling people to make it difficult for themselves for absolutely 0 reason, it just makes absolutely no sense, it just doesnt, you can try and convince yourself that it does, it does not.

[VerdeLuck]

It doesn't make sense to tell people to have fun and do what's more fun instead of what's the shortest grind?
Everything contributes to the relic in this situation, you can do anything you want to progress it so why wouldn't you?

[ChrysOCE]

You are literally missing the point of what I am saying, you are telling people to make it difficult for themselves for absolutely 0 reason, it just makes absolutely no sense, it just doesnt, you can try and convince yourself that it does, it does not.

It is an absolute waste of time trying to explain. They have this perception that we only want a grind to gatekeep others from having something.

It doesn't have to be exploratory zones (god forbid we have another zone where you would have to actually interact with other people) and it doesn't have to be FATES (though, I would argue that incentivizing people to be out in the world and doing FATES together as a shared thing, would be good for the community). Nah, lets just all cap our Causality well before patch and then just hand it in on patch day for the next step in the relic. So good. So peak.