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    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    It's really weird how some posters like to enter a thread specifically for critical feedback and then question why critical feedback is being posted in said thread. Even stranger is the habit of pretending as if a thread of 859 pages and counting hasn't already had the posters frequenting the thread outline their positions and concerns a great many times already.

    I think the simple fact that the following linked thread was made in response to an obvious bad faith comment ridiculing those posting here says it all:

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...y-in-Dawntrail

    I don't doubt that you're genuinely concerned that the forum is being used for its intended primary purpose of leaving feedback related to the game. I've also seen enough of your posts relating to lore discussions to know full well that you can be linked specific sources only to dismiss them only to double down on rhetoric such as this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    So I get how the idea of Venat NOT being a bad person is hard to take from people that had all but assumed their headcanon they came up with during ShB was that Venat was going to turn out to secretly be the Big Bad this whole time...and when the story said "No, she actually is/was a genuinely good person, just faced with horrible options", refused to accept that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    I DID say, as a "what-if"/"think about it this way" that the ANCIENTS were basically becoming Nazis. But unless you are one of the Ancients, that doesn't apply to you, now does it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    I don't get it, but I get some people want their anti-hero/shade of gray world, and that's fine. You can have that headcanon, and I shall leave you to it. Just don't accuse other people of living in headcanon, being "simps", etc, who refuse to subscribe to your own.

    Thankfully pattern recognition is a thing and it's not difficult to note how often it turns out to be the case where the same posters who feign concern over the mere existence of critical feedback towards the story always turn out to have the most bad faith take on the Ancients/Garleans but readily bend over backwards to do damage control for Hydaelyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Ive outlined...
    Oh, I don't disagree: You can see my complaints. I think the big problem was that they didn't really spend the time to develop it - time they CLEARLY had considering they used that time for dithering, B plots that weren't really relative or important (to this day Rubicante "distracting" us seemed completely pointless), and a lot of unnecessary hat tipping and new eating emoting.

    Clearly they had time to develop the characters a bit more, build them up as a bigger threat, etc. Yet they didn't. But it wasn't because they were rushed on runtime, since they had time to do all the other dithering. I get they wanted to use all of 6.2-6.5 on it, but if they were going to do that, they needed to flesh them out a lot more. As people have noted, they had those sidequests with the Hecteye to see the backstories. Why? We have the freakin' Echo FOR THAT PURPOSE all the time. It's a bit overused, but it's a totally right there for use plot device to do that. In Sorrows of Wyrlit, we got that backstory of the other characters, yet here, it was in a side quest.

    It's just there were a lot of poor decisions from 6.2-6.4, and no really good reason for it.

    That said, I think 6.1 was fine, and 6.5 was great. So... /shrug

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It's really weird how some posters like to enter a thread specifically for critical feedback...
    "What's the point with that quite lackluster X" is not "critical feedback". It's just deriding something.

    Moreover, it's a free forum. You've posted in positive threads to bring down the mood. People are allowed to have and express opinions. And I have no issue with feedback, critical or otherwise. But when I don't agree with it, or have feedback of my own, I'm allowed to voice that, am I not?

    Do you have a problem with people posting feedback on the forum if it's positive feedback? All the time people say "people who like things don't post, they just play the game", so what's wrong with someone posting about it for once? Do you oppose people leaving feedback on the forum that you disagree with? Because you seem more attacking me than my feedback here...

    It's interesting to note how often it turns out to be the case where the same posters who feign concern over the mere existence of positive feedback towards the story always turn out to have the most bad faith take on Hydaelyn but readily bend over backwards to do damage control for the Ancients/Garleans.

    Also, did you literally go back over a year to posts I made to try and ad hominem/strawman fallacy me? o.O Talk about bad faith!
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