Should the devs appologise to the community

[Ivtrix]

Accountability? The heck? They didn't murder anyone, they simply made a game that you don't like anymore. Instead of making it sound like they should be crucified, stop giving them money, there, problem solved.

You woulda been flabbergasted at all the apologies they put out for 1.0

Also do none of you guys actually read at all can you not look up and read Theodrics post which makes some good points as to why “send a message with your wallet” is not nearly as powerful as you think it is?

[Carin-Eri]

You woulda been flabbergasted at all the apologies they put out for 1.0

Also do none of you guys actually read at all can you not look up and read Theodrics post which makes some good points as to why “send a message with your wallet” is not nearly as powerful as you think it is?

To add to the (good) points already made, 'vote with your wallet' could also send the entirely wrong message.

I sure as hell wouldn't want this game to start looking at Free to Play business models, but I know of at least one MMO that did so when subscriptions dropped significantly and, sadly, developed the sort of cash-grab mentality (mostly around gambleboxes) that would make the average smartphone game developer proud.

[Ivtrix]

To add to the (good) points already made, 'vote with your wallet' could also send the entirely wrong message.

I sure as hell wouldn't want this game to start looking at Free to Play business models, but I know of at least one MMO that did so when subscriptions dropped significantly and, sadly, developed the sort of cash-grab mentality (mostly around gambleboxes) that would make the average smartphone game developer proud.

My concern with “vote with your wallet” is that the developers will simply just design content for those that continue to pay, and be less incentivized to create content for those who have unsubbed.

[ZephyrMenodora]

My concern with “vote with your wallet” is that the developers will simply just design content for those that continue to pay, and be less incentivized to create content for those who have unsubbed.

I don’t fear that. They spent two years catering to supposed new players who can’t finish Satasha without a trust telling them what to do. Even though it would seem the number of new players from that one data set is an all time low lol.

[Midare]

You woulda been flabbergasted at all the apologies they put out for 1.0

Also do none of you guys actually read at all can you not look up and read Theodrics post which makes some good points as to why “send a message with your wallet” is not nearly as powerful as you think it is?

What is exactly more powerful than not giving them money? If you truly think something needs changing, if the numbers drop, they are bound to rethink their tacticts. If there's no demand for what they're supplying, they have to adjust to the demand, it's capitalism 101.

And I've seen the apologies and how far they went with those, but if anyone thinks current time XIV needs the same level of apologies... that's just weird.

[Ivtrix]

What is exactly more powerful than not giving them money? If you truly think something needs changing, if the numbers drop, they are bound to rethink their tacticts. If there's no demand for what they're supplying, they have to adjust to the demand, it's capitalism 101.

And I've seen the apologies and how far they went with those, but if anyone thinks current time XIV needs the same level of apologies... that's just weird.

They supplement from other revenue sources. This would be a more powerful tactic if XIV/CBU3 was a closed loop on cash. It isnt. This is like.... econ 101 lol.

[Jojoya]

They supplement from other revenue sources. This would be a more powerful tactic if XIV/CBU3 was a closed loop on cash. It isnt. This is like.... econ 101 lol.

Regardless of what impact it might have on the game's financial health, as player feedback it can send a message. "The game is no longer enjoyable".

Small numbers will get written off as normal attrition. Unusually large numbers will draw attention - what has changed so these players no longer want to play. Does something need to be changed to try to draw them back or at least avoid further cancellations.

Sticking around thinking things will change if people are loud enough in the forums isn't very likely to accomplish anything. The gap in feedback communication between the devs and NA/EU players has become very noticeable in the wake of the latest round of interviews that YoshiP did.

Easy to say "devs aren't listening to us" but I wonder if it's more that the Community Team is spending too much time playing marketing/PR and not enough time being the link between devs and players that a Community Team should be. Even that may not be their fault depending on who wrote their job descriptions.

[KitingGenbu]

What is exactly more powerful than not giving them money? If you truly think something needs changing, if the numbers drop, they are bound to rethink their tacticts. If there's no demand for what they're supplying, they have to adjust to the demand, it's capitalism 101.

And I've seen the apologies and how far they went with those, but if anyone thinks current time XIV needs the same level of apologies... that's just weird.

I always find it funny that people like the one you responded to feel its better to keep giving people money they have issues with as opposed to not (cause it takes money to post on this forum if some people weren't aware). People like that think that if money from subs stop then everything will change which is honestly not as much money as they hope it will be. Keep in mind that SE updates their cash shop MONTHLY (doesn't take more than 5 mins to see how often they put out 'optional items' updates). That essentially means that even if 1k people quit that month, if 250 ish were buying from the cash shop from that same month, they really wouldn't feel the sting.

I think the more critical point some people need to admit to themselves is that this game will never be whatever it is they want it to be. Whether you like Yoshida's development style, at least the man has been straight forward about it and doesn't give fake apologies/promises to do 'better in future updates' like other developers do (WoW comes to mind). So again for 10293473928374 time, if people aren't jiving with the game and its development direction, take a break or move on because if you really dig and compare between expansions, a lot of core things have remained the same (like tomes, trials, raid sizes, when each type of content is released on which patch number, etc).