Market Board RMT Sellers

[Aneshda]

Please get your story straight on what is actually happening so the rest of us can understand.

Are they selling the glamour items higher than the cost of the materials they buy or for lower than the cost of the materials they buy?

I'm starting to wonder if you can even read? My first post is more than clear. If you had read it then you wouldn't always have to ask the same questions.
Why is it that people post in a thread they haven't read? Is it to drive up the post number? What is it? Enlighten us with your wisdom.
Oh while we're at it... You seem to be perfectly fine with what this player is doing, the way you defend everything, what if it was your server + all the other servers in your data center?
Players with millions of Gil don't think for a second that players who aren't full of Gil also want to somehow earn Gil through sales, but they don't even get the chance because there are players who take the whole market and don't want to share.
Then you are always told to sell something else or accept that one player claims the entire market for glamor items for themselves.
But that also means that the market is no longer free if players can only sell cheap dirt because the good items are claimed by a few.
Maybe there needs to be a gil limit so that RMT sellers finally disappear. Gil limits could be linked to the account age + the jobs a character has leveled + achievements + actual days played.
All together would be a good start to getting rid of RMT sellers.

[Eirlyss]

...You seem to be perfectly fine with what this player is doing, the way you defend everything, what if it was your server + all the other servers in your data center?
Players with millions of Gil don't think for a second that players who aren't full of Gil also want to somehow earn Gil through sales, but they don't even get the chance because there are players who take the whole market and don't want to share.
Then you are always told to sell something else or accept that one player claims the entire market for glamor items for themselves.

"Perfectly fine" and RMT are not the only two options, which seems to be what you are suggesting. Most of the posters are saying there is no RMT evidence because there is truly no RMT evidence. It has nothing to do with whether that player is being nice/fine/good or a similar adjective. That sort of thinking is the ad hominem logical fallacy, where an argument becomes about someone's character rather than facts.

But that also means that the market is no longer free if players can only sell cheap dirt because the good items are claimed by a few.

This is exactly how free markets work. They are competitive, and someone ends up winning.

[Jojoya]

I'm starting to wonder if you can even read? My first post is more than clear. If you had read it then you wouldn't always have to ask the same questions.
Why is it that people post in a thread they haven't read? Is it to drive up the post number? What is it? Enlighten us with your wisdom.

I can read.

Can you think logically? RMT requires selling items for more than you spend to make the item so there is a profit that can be sold for real money. It's not going to occur when someone is selling for less than the cost to produce the item and they're continue to buy more materials. There is no profit to use.

Oh while we're at it... You seem to be perfectly fine with what this player is doing, the way you defend everything, what if it was your server + all the other servers in your data center?

I would do the same thing I've always done when others start selling under my preferred selling price. I find something else to sell. I've had to do that several times over the years, mostly due to changes in Quick Exploration loot tables flooding the marketboard with items I had been previously selling for profit so the prices crash below the cost of materials to make them.

Players with millions of Gil don't think for a second that players who aren't full of Gil also want to somehow earn Gil through sales, but they don't even get the chance because there are players who take the whole market and don't want to share.

Except you can still earn gil via the marketboard - sell something else.

I didn't get rich by trying to compete against others who were selling high value items. I got rich by 1) selling things that others were ignoring that still had demand and yielded a profit even if relatively small, and 2) anticipating changes in market demand that would drive prices of certain items higher, stockpiling those items at the low prices then reselling them at the new market rate once prices jumped up. The latter can be risky and a few times I guessed wrong. Most of the time, I guessed right and made millions from the foresight.

If you're having a hard time making gil, it's because your thinking is too rigid when it comes to the methods to accomplish it. The "good items" are generally the worst ones to target if you want to get rich because everyone else want to be selling them so profit margins are slim.

If you're set on only selling the "good items", there's one more option for you - band together with other sellers to combine your resources and break that player's monopoly. It's hard to maintain a monopoly in an online game where materials have no effective limit on the rate they can enter the economy and there's a dedicated group working against you.

But be cautious - you don't know how deep that player's pockets really are. You and those joining you need to be willing to commit for the long term. You also need to smart about how you break it (ie you're going to have to use their tactics against them with a big stockpile to back up how fast your group can relist the items).

But that also means that the market is no longer free if players can only sell cheap dirt because the good items are claimed by a few.

Free market - The free market is an economic system based on supply and demand with little or no government control. It is a summary description of all voluntary exchanges that take place in a given economic environment.

SE is the "government" in this case. Are they stopping you from selling? No, they aren't. Are they telling you what prices you can sell for? No, they aren't. All listings on the marketboard are voluntary.

I agree getting rid of RMT would be a good thing but unfortunately, RMT is going to exist as long as there are players willing to buy.

This player you are talking about does not appear to be engaging in RMT and continuing to report them for RMT is not going to accomplish anything.

Are they using bots to post their market listings and buy up the materials they need? Possibly. Gather evidence to prove it (Prringles can tell you what to look for and how to do it) and report them for botting instead of RMT. That might accomplish something.

[Aneshda]

Free market - The free market is an economic system based on supply and demand with little or no government control. It is a summary description of all voluntary exchanges that take place in a given economic environment.

SE is the "government" in this case. Are they stopping you from selling? No, they aren't. Are they telling you what prices you can sell for? No, they aren't. All listings on the marketboard are voluntary.

Then show me how you sell an item at a desired price you set when another player has flooded the market with 59-70 of those items at an extremely low price. Do you really think that any player will pay even 1 gil more than the price that 1 player made? Certainly not. So is this your idea of a free market? Sure, I can now choose another item that I want to sell... but what is that? THIS ONE PLAYER has done the same thing with countless other items. But hey, the market is free ... we can wait a few more years until this 1 player runs out of resources ...

[Eirlyss]

Then show me how you sell an item at a desired price you set when another player has flooded the market with 59-70 of those items at an extremely low price. Do you really think that any player will pay even 1 gil more than the price that 1 player made? Certainly not. So is this your idea of a free market? Sure, I can now choose another item that I want to sell... but what is that? THIS ONE PLAYER has done the same thing with countless other items. But hey, the market is free ... we can wait a few more years until this 1 player runs out of resources ...

I don't know where you got that 1 player was doing this, but based on a quick look there are 2 players posting items. They're in the same FC, and likely working together. I looked around EU, and both their names are on the gear.

[Aneshda]

I don't know where you got that 1 player was doing this, but based on a quick look there are 2 players posting items. They're in the same FC, and likely working together. I looked around EU, and both their names are on the gear.

That is one and the same Player.

[Eirlyss]

That is one and the same Player.

What proof do you have that they are the same player?

[Aneshda]

What proof do you have that they are the same player?

Why would Player A sell Items of Player B and Player B Items of Player A in their Retainers?