I'm One Of The Filthiests Of Casuals And Even I Can See How Dumbdown FF14 Has Become!

[Supersnow845]

Okay I’ll present this in the simplest way possible

Garuda/titan/ifrit are the filler, they consist of doing exactly the same thing, casting aspected ruin 3, the slight different in mobility is functionally meaningless, Bahamut and pheonix and the burst and sub burst, they consist of doing……..guess what casting aspected ruin 3, when the burst is exactly the same as the filler it all feels like filler, and it all feels even worse because you physically cannot do SMN wrong, it has no fail state, that doesn’t define it being filler, it’s the fact that a rotation with no fail state feels like filler because you aren’t building towards anything

[Renathras]

Okay I’ll present this in the simplest way possible

Garuda/titan/ifrit are the filler,

Nonono, that wasn't my question.

Can you tell me what you define as filler for OTHER JOBS that you are familiar with which ARE NOT Summoner, please?

[Supersnow845]

Nonono, that wasn't my question.

Can you tell me what you define as filler for OTHER JOBS that you are familiar with which ARE NOT Summoner, please?

I mean it doesn’t change anything you just want it as a cheap gatcha because you still think I explicitly define filler as lack of a fail state when that’s just part of why SMN feels like it’s all filler

But I’ll indulge you, filler is the repetitive actions that you do outside of the burst window or a sub burst window, they may or may not have a fail state

[Renathras]

PLD's filler would be roughly analogous to the crayon eating phase of SMNs rotation.

Well, that's something, and I do appreciate that (also HS, but I was trying to be general/simplistic for people). But doesn't well answer the question.

What would YOU define as filler for the Jobs you play/are familiar with that are NOT Summoner?

You guys are eating my post limit by giving not-quite answers, but I'm trying to make shorter posts since people have asked for it. I hope it's appreciated and good faith discussion (rather than evasion) can be had, otherwise I'll have to go back.

I mean it doesn’t change anything you just want it as a cheap gatcha because you still think I explicitly define filler as lack of a fail state when that’s just part of why SMN feels like it’s all filler

But I’ll indulge you, filler is the repetitive actions that you do outside of the burst window or a sub burst window, they may or may not have a fail state

It's not a "cheap gotcha".

I DO suspect your evasiveness may be due to if you have to define it for other Jobs, I can point out that you're being unfair to SMN. That would be a reason for you to refuse to answer the question. But no, you didn't indulge me, and I'm not trying to figure out that to rub your nose in it. I want to work out what you see as filler in other Jobs. I didn't ask for a definition of filler.

What I asked for is EXAMPLES of filler from other Jobs so I can see what they have in common and try to work out a working definition of filler based on your own practical examples. It's not a "gotcha", I'm trying to figure out what you ACTUALLY see as filler abilities in other Jobs, so I can compare THOSE examples to SMN abilities to see which SMN abilities meet that same criteria.

EDIT: For example, if you DON'T consider Requiescat/Confetti/Swords to be "filler", then Searing Light/Summon Bahamut/Astral Impulse wouldn't be filler. If you consider the latter filler, then you must also consider the former filler. This is why I need to see PRACTICAL EXAMPLES and abilities, not a definition. :ENDEDIT

I'm going to try to assume you aren't acting in bad faith one more time by asking the question once more:

Can you tell me what you define as filler for OTHER JOBS that you are familiar with which ARE NOT Summoner, please?

Would you please answer THAT question, not substitute in other questions you'd rather answer instead. Thank you.

Once more:

Can you tell me what you define as filler for OTHER JOBS that you are familiar with which ARE NOT Summoner, please?

Not a definition, what ABILITIES do you consider part of the filler of other, NOT-Summoner Jobs? (and, if you like, their rotational order, though that's less needed).