I'm One Of The Filthiests Of Casuals And Even I Can See How Dumbdown FF14 Has Become!

[OgruMogru]

So you're just incorrectly substituting the word "rotation" with "filler"? Quote from the blm balance page you linked above says "In order to get enough MP to sustain the standard rotation, two MP ticks are required. For this purpose, at least two spells are needed in Umbral Ice to act as “filler” spells." So why would they need to differentiate between rotation and filler if they were interchangeable? Can't answer your question on PLD as I don't play it but I'm sure someone else will chomp down on that bait and correct you.

[Renathras]

So you're just incorrectly substituting the word "rotation" with "filler"? Quote from the blm balance page you linked above says "In order to get enough MP to sustain the standard rotation, two MP ticks are required. For this purpose, at least two spells are needed in Umbral Ice to act as “filler” spells." So why would they need to differentiate between rotation and filler if they were interchangeable? Can't answer your question on PLD as I don't play it but I'm sure someone else will chomp down on that bait and correct you.

Ah, I see you didn't answer my question:

Tell me, what would you define PLD's "filler" as? If "entire rotation" isn't allowed, what's the "filler"?

...because you don't play PLD. Fair enough, so let's try something else:

What would you define WAR's filler as?
Or MNK's?
Or SAM's?

Do you play any Jobs other than BLM, and what would you define their fillers as?

If you don't...then all I can say is your definition is wrong and you need to try some other Jobs so you can see why. I have dabbled with every Job in the game and know the fillers for about half of them. My definition is consistent across them. So tell me what you define the fillers on for the Jobs you play other than BLM and we'll work from there?

EDIT:

Filler doesn’t have to not have a fail state, SMN just feels like all filler because it has no fail state and it’s burst cannot be made to fail by doing the actual filler wrong

Uh...that......doesn't make any sense.

"filler doesn't have to not have a fail state"
"SMN having no fail state means it's all filler".

You can't say filler is NOT defined by fail state, but then use no fail state as a definition right after. Regardless, it doesn't feel like filler to me, so now we're in absolute subjective territory.

You might notice I was using objective metrics to define filler, which is how you have to define things. Filler isn't a matter of "feel', otherwise the term has no meaning.

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What I'm trying to get at is "What are practical NON-Summoner cases of filler (for the purpose of definitions) to you guys", that way I can see if SMN's rotation actually fits your definition of filler or not.

That is, I need to see what you guys consider "filler" in other Jobs to see if that matches (a) the general community definition of filler (e.g. includes 1-2-3 basic rotations) and (b) how that would apply to SMN since...I think some people are a BIIIIT of a TAAAD (or more than a bit and more than a tad) biased against SMN and not looking at it fairly... <_<