the "go play another game" mentality

[MintnHoney]

Or they complain, which is fine. But after saying their piece, they complain again, and complain, and complain, and complain, and complain some more. Over months, even years.

So your issue is that someone should only voice their complaint once, and then, afterwards, they cannot retain their complaint and/or voice that complaint ever again, even when the "problem" has not been resolved? Why should someone stop their criticism or complaint if the "issue" is not resolved? If having a "critique" isn't an issue, then why are you taking issue with people having them, retained or otherwise?
You're welcome to simply not interact with the complaints that you get tired of seeing, or respond to someone you just don't feel the need to respond to. I do it all the time, likes be damned.

I think it's time to understand that people can like something and still want it to be better, even if it doesn't immediately get better after they say one thing once upon a time. If someone wants to stop playing, they will stop playing. No one needs to play the agony aunt, helicopter parent, or whatever and "monitor" others behavior for them (as if any one member on here would even be qualified to do so over this setting, with the parameters given).


On topic, there are quite a few recent releases out there to play, and there are quite a few to come, but some of my mainstays have included Genshin Impact, Granado Espada, Dragon Nest (although I really only play that maybe once every 2 weeks or so), and recently my friends and I have taken to 100%-ing Dragon Quest Heroes 2 (which has been a relatively fun time). We've been looking into other games to play as a group, though, especially ones which allow the majority of us to play. That's been a bit challenging.

[Boblawblah]

So your issue is that someone should only voice their complaint once, and then, afterwards, they cannot retain their complaint and/or voice that complaint ever again, even when the "problem" has not been resolved? Why should someone stop their criticism or complaint if the "issue" is not resolved? If having a "critique" isn't an issue, then why are you taking issue with people having them, retained or otherwise?
You're welcome to simply not interact with the complaints that you get tired of seeing, or respond to someone you just don't feel the need to respond to. I do it all the time, likes be damned.

I think it's time to understand that people can like something and still want it to be better, even if it doesn't immediately get better after they say one thing once upon a time. If someone wants to stop playing, they will stop playing. No one needs to play the agony aunt, helicopter parent, or whatever and "monitor" others behavior for them (as if any one member on here would even be qualified to do so over this setting, with the parameters given).

Strawmans!! Strawmans everywhere!!

[MintnHoney]

Strawman's!! Strawman's everywhere!!

Finished breathing every molecule of oxygen in FFXIV yet?

[Boblawblah]

Finished breathing every molecule of oxygen in FFXIV yet?

If you're asking if I've finished everything in FFXIV, then no, I have not. I'll be taking a break in a week or so for another month or two (probably). But I definitely got my months worth of sub this month, thanks for asking

[MisterNublet]

Or they complain, which is fine. But after saying their piece, they complain again, and complain, and complain, and complain, and complain some more. Over months, even years.

Having critiques isn't an issue. Just for some of us who simply leave games quietly or go do other things when we are bored/unhappy with a game, it's strange to spend so many hours on complaining.

If you ever knew someone IRL that just complains about anything and everything, for many they eventually just get tiring to be around. Just my opinion.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I'll concede that some complaints are just people trolling for reactions, but there are plenty of legitimate complaints about the game that hasn't had any attention brought to it, or seemingly the developers are actively trying to ignore it. Healer role for instance.

You might be concerned at first when you hear a noise that doesn't sound right, but if the noise only happens once, then you'll either forget about it altogether or it wasn't that big of a deal. Hence why people with complaints repeat themselves over and over, because so far, no one from the dev team seems to be listening.

A squeaky wheel that doesn't get grease is bound to fly off, sending the whole cart crashing down. And for a lot of people Dawntrail is the deciding factor whether or not they continue with this game.

If seeing people's complaints on a forum towards a corporation is bothering you, then perhaps you spend too much time on the forums?

[ZephyrMenodora]

Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

If there is anyone around to hear the squeaking. When it comes to this place, I have my doubts.

I view these forums solely as entertainment, and not a place I feel any feedback I leave is being heard.

I think it's time to understand that people can like something and still want it to be better, even if it doesn't immediately get better after they say one thing once upon a time.

If you are replying specifically to me, I've understood this for quite a while. Nothing new here. I think we are just discussing different types of posters.

You're welcome to simply not interact with the complaints that you get tired of seeing, or respond to someone you just don't feel the need to respond to. I do it all the time, likes be damned.

I mean, there is a ton of threads on this forum I purposely skip entirely. So yes, there is quite a bit I already choose not to interact with. There are so many complaints where I've seen and heard it all before and don't bother replying.Here we are just discussing things in general, and it's something I felt like posting. (And no, of course I did not mean that you can only post once and never again. That would be rather extreme. I'm sorry if that's what you thought I was implying.)

[Sebazy]

Genshin has been tiding me over nicely lately tbh.

As much as I give f2p games in general a ton of stick, Genshin's monetisation is entirely ignorable if you avoid the endgame and just play it as a quest/explore-em-up. I'll openly admit that as a former world builder, it's absolute environment porn. Just keep your wallet well away from it IMO. Even getting the seemingly reasonable monthly sub is an express ride towards getting the entirely less reasonable battle pass for more materials.

Outside of that, I don't play a huge amount of games, but a few noteworthy ones:

Stray, a really enjoyable and comfy adventureish game, outside of a couple of odd difficulty spikes it was just a nice chill romp through a really neat and interesting world. Hopefully it gets a sequel that lives up to the same standards.

Triangle Strategy, Octopath style FFT. Whilst I didn't quite click with the cast in the same way as War of the Lions or FFTA, the overarching plot and battles were solid and engaging

TMNT Shredder's revenge, hot take, I didn't like Streets of Rage 3, the stages were boring, the bosses were annoying and it just didn't seem particularly fun to me. TMNT on the other hand got it right, it was a much better throwback to the old Arcade machine and Turtles in Time. Great fun.

As far as other mmos go, I've already had one comeback tour on both FFXI and WoW. In the case of FFXI, from what I gather everything's done with npcs now? FFXI without the drama just isn't the same IMO. For WoW, I played on NA servers to stop myself raiding pve (It worked, I just PvP'd hardcore instead =(((( ), afaik my old server was merged and I was a guild of 1 so don't really have a crowd to go back to.

[MintnHoney]

If there is anyone around to hear the squeaking. When it comes to this place, I have my doubts.

I view these forums solely as entertainment, and not a place I feel any feedback I leave is being heard.

I would generally view forums, especially one marked as a General subsection of a forum, as a place for entertainment as well, however YoshiP/Squeen shot themselves in the foot with that one and designated the forums as the place to go to provide feedback. Personally, I've always felt that providing feedback in a public space of any kind only invites public censorship and creates discord in a given community due to the resulting disagreements for any one feedback provided.
In fact, the things I assume they were trying to do by telling their players to provide feedback in the forums, was to (1) invite public censorship so that people would inevitably filter each other (and their opinions) out, (2) prevent non-players from being able to provide feedback on the game, and (3) try to (haha) reduce the amount of feedback, shitposting, and videos/pictures surrounding the game that could potentially affect their (marketing) "image" viewable by the public (aka potential customers).

And so here we are, suffering because of their choices through conflict in ideological organization, in what should be a place for your entertainment and leisure.

If you are replying specifically to me, I've understood this for quite a while. Nothing new here. I think we are just discussing different types of posters.

No, not quite to you specifically, but more to a kind of poster at large. You know, the kind who think they're hot shit for having an undercooked thought used as a jab at people who are, honestly, just trying to enjoy their game just as much as, or more than those doing the jabbing.

I mean, there is a ton of threads on this forum I purposely skip entirely. So yes, there is quite a bit I already choose not to interact with. There are so many complaints where I've seen and heard it all before and don't bother replying.Here we are just discussing things in general, and it's something I felt like posting. (And no, of course I did not mean that you can only post once and never again. That would be rather extreme. I'm sorry if that's what you thought I was implying.)

Fair enough, but MisterNublet is quite right about the squeaky wheel. Considering the Dev's lack of engagement with the forums and acknowledgement, I can see where you're coming from but that's not a good reason for the complaints, no matter how incessant or from whom, to stop unless they're intentionally being used to disrupt the forums (at which point, the report button becomes appropriate, or you just ignore them).
There really is something to be said about the dissatisfaction that crops up specifically about negative feedback provided, and the gatekeeping that happens around what is acceptable and unacceptable feedback (see my comments above for my feelings on providing feedback in a public forum), and, although healthy discussion is difficult to have with the constant tribalism, at this point, I'd say it's basically just a modern High School Senior/undergrad essay version of XIV's pvp. If you can avoid falling into one of the tribes and just discuss the merits of a point, rather than the person making it, you're usually golden as far as I can tell. Everything else is just backwash from the corpse of Twitter. Or Renathras, who may be trying to obtain a master's in forum combat.

[Elissar]

Tbh this mentality by itself is not a bad thing. I always played online games that demands a huge amount of time, i've been playing for 20 years.

Warframe is a free to play game that encourages the same thing, despite having multiple farming loops, you have time gates everywhere and sometimes you need to level up reputations to progress in the story. As you go on, you increase your reputation cap and the game slowly allow more playtime (i feel like it's similar to Genshin Impact). Don't be fooled, this game can be epic just as FFXIV. Music for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1MwAvuiyVA

FFXIV is not so different, however, as you go on, the game makes your life easier and not hard like Warframe. This philosophy is everywhere - specially in Grand Company (Squad), Eureka and Island Sanctuary.

If we could draw a plot, we would se a "X" where warframe increases as FFXIV decline in terms of time occupation.

However, i remember old games like Lineage, Perfect World and TERA...you could play as long as you want but you would find yourself doing the same stuff all over again, while modern design want to keep you busy with different stuff as long as you enjoy it. In World of Warcraft is not rare for a veteran to have 10-20-30 alts, imagine someone from FFXIV dealing with such reality.

This strategy also depends of what genre of game you enjoy. ARPG like PoE separate by season, once you get what you want, you don't need to play intensely anymore. If you don't like racing/rush, you can always play casually and still have fun.

old games concept (online):
- Immersive community-driven experience
- Tries to occupy most of your time
- Hard progression
- Few systems-oriented interactions (e.g: Grand Company, Tribes, Island)


modern games concept (online):
- Immersive world and systems
- Allows more freedom, wallet friendly (doens't have pay to win systems)
- Moderate progression with optional hard content
- Open end game (not a closed meta like: get the highest iLVL)


Online casual friendly games: FFXIV, The Division, Warframe, Trove, GTAV, Black Desert, GW2, Albion

Not online but worth it: Mass Effect trilogy, Bioshock trilogy, Remember Me, Trine, Bayonetta, Devil may cry, Stellaris...
based on my steam lol



tldr: 'Play another game' is healthy and cool as long it doens't make 'our' devs lazy.

[ZephyrMenodora]

((Good post, but I had to cull for length ))

A lot of wisdom in one post! Nothing I disagree with here.

I do wish they had a real feedback forum that they actually had someone keep clean - so we could calmly discuss feedback we'd like the dev's to hear. And whoever reading it should post even "I'll pass this feedback along" if nothing else.

The state these forums are in though, I just doubt they care about anything we say here. Else what goes on here would look a far different. There would be a lot less tolerance of threads veering off course into pages and pages of ... well, whatever goes on in most threads haha.

It's actually a disappointment that we got a new community manager who posted I guess once, and was never seen again....I'd love if SE gave me the impression they care and listen beyond what Aetheryte I use.