Quote Originally Posted by Razzle View Post
I doubt anyone is asking for stuff instantly with little effort. And I don't even see how waiting for party is considered effort.

The effort and time spent should be PLAYING and not waiting.

Now tell me, which player puts more effort within the 2 hour of playtime?

Player A: Log in > Do *Nothing* for 1 hour while waiting for party to fill > Run a dungeon 1 hour > Log Out - Total playtime 2 Hours.

Player B: Log in> Use content finder join party in 10 minutes > Run dungeon for 1:50 hours > Log out - Total playtime 2 Hours.
Player C, who is a form of player A but has spent time making relationships on his realm with people over time, even years. This same relationship that he uses to form parties with people he has done so before.

Player B in your scenario, just expierenced the lobby effect.

I'm not completely against DF. I am just trying to point out that while it does have some advantages, I believe it has disadvantages too. I hope the people who are for and against it take both sides into consideration, and I hope the devs do as well.

I can tell you from my own experience, and this is a fact. I met many friends partying with people in xi. Some exp parties, quest/mission parties and sometimes just helping out a friends ls who maybe short on a job I have leveled. And in my experience in wow, with which I am at this moment playing, I have not made a single friend using dungeon finder, and I rarely see people on my realm shouting for members (rarely being less than 1 time a month).

The people in raid finder, well there is usually a "bad apple" or two. Yes that is going to happen anywhere, but I have also seen many groups kick people for things like, low dps, low healing, saying something someone else didn't like. Now, if this was on my realm, and these were people I know, I doubt I would be willing to waste their time, and make them feel like crap, just to kick them and get a dps with better gear.

This whole discussion, and pretty much every discussion on the forums, are about peoples opinions. And my opinion ( and I think many others ) comes from my experience of seeing both sides of an example of how things can turn out. My experience is, xi vs wow.

Yes I can see many good reasons to add DF, but instead of blindly being all gun ho for it, I am trying to point out the many bad sides as well.