My concerns about a "worldless model" what are yours?

[Razzle]

You want stuff instantly with little effort/time put in, there you go.

I doubt anyone is asking for stuff instantly with little effort. And I don't even see how waiting for party is considered effort.

The effort and time spent should be PLAYING and not waiting.

Now tell me, which player puts more effort within the 2 hour of playtime?

Player A: Log in > Do *Nothing* for 1 hour while waiting for party to fill > Run a dungeon 1 hour > Log Out - Total playtime 2 Hours.

Player B: Log in> Use content finder join party in 10 minutes > Run dungeon for 1:50 hours > Log out - Total playtime 2 Hours.

[Aldwin]

I doubt anyone is asking for stuff instantly with little effort. And I don't even see how waiting for party is considered effort.

The effort and time spent should be PLAYING and not waiting.

Now tell me, which player puts more effort within the 2 hour of playtime?

Player A: Log in > Do *Nothing* for 1 hour while waiting for party to fill > Run a dungeon 1 hour > Log Out - Total playtime 2 Hours.

Player B: Log in> Use content finder join party in 10 minutes > Run dungeon for 1:50 hours > Log out - Total playtime 2 Hours.

Player C, who is a form of player A but has spent time making relationships on his realm with people over time, even years. This same relationship that he uses to form parties with people he has done so before.

Player B in your scenario, just expierenced the lobby effect.

I'm not completely against DF. I am just trying to point out that while it does have some advantages, I believe it has disadvantages too. I hope the people who are for and against it take both sides into consideration, and I hope the devs do as well.

I can tell you from my own experience, and this is a fact. I met many friends partying with people in xi. Some exp parties, quest/mission parties and sometimes just helping out a friends ls who maybe short on a job I have leveled. And in my experience in wow, with which I am at this moment playing, I have not made a single friend using dungeon finder, and I rarely see people on my realm shouting for members (rarely being less than 1 time a month).

The people in raid finder, well there is usually a "bad apple" or two. Yes that is going to happen anywhere, but I have also seen many groups kick people for things like, low dps, low healing, saying something someone else didn't like. Now, if this was on my realm, and these were people I know, I doubt I would be willing to waste their time, and make them feel like crap, just to kick them and get a dps with better gear.

This whole discussion, and pretty much every discussion on the forums, are about peoples opinions. And my opinion ( and I think many others ) comes from my experience of seeing both sides of an example of how things can turn out. My experience is, xi vs wow.

Yes I can see many good reasons to add DF, but instead of blindly being all gun ho for it, I am trying to point out the many bad sides as well.

[Starlord]

Player C, who is a form of player A but has spent time making relationships on his realm with people over time, even years. This same relationship that he uses to form parties with people he has done so before.

Player B in your scenario, just expierenced the lobby effect.

I'm not completely against DF. I am just trying to point out that while it does have some advantages, I believe it has disadvantages too. I hope the people who are for and against it take both sides into consideration, and I hope the devs do as well.

I can tell you from my own experience, and this is a fact. I met many friends partying with people in xi. Some exp parties, quest/mission parties and sometimes just helping out a friends ls who maybe short on a job I have leveled. And in my experience in wow, with which I am at this moment playing, I have not made a single friend using dungeon finder, and I rarely see people on my realm shouting for members (rarely being less than 1 time a month).

The people in raid finder, well there is usually a "bad apple" or two. Yes that is going to happen anywhere, but I have also seen many groups kick people for things like, low dps, low healing, saying something someone else didn't like. Now, if this was on my realm, and these were people I know, I doubt I would be willing to waste their time, and make them feel like crap, just to kick them and get a dps with better gear.

This whole discussion, and pretty much every discussion on the forums, are about peoples opinions. And my opinion ( and I think many others ) comes from my experience of seeing both sides of an example of how things can turn out. My experience is, xi vs wow.

Yes I can see many good reasons to add DF, but instead of blindly being all gun ho for it, I am trying to point out the many bad sides as well.

But there also something that people fail to see:

-For Harder content, people aren't going just "Get random people and wing it" they will use the PC search to search within there server, or have their own Linkshell to tackle the hader content down. That much is fact.
-For Exp, the only way to get Via Content finder is through dungeon content ( which we all know is pointless, but hey some people will use it for that as well, but its not the most Optimal way of getting exp.)
-For Exp parties, People will do what they would normally do "Use PC search to find people within their server to exp all around Eorzea.
-Frontlines (PvP) is Non-Instanced ( They are making it in a way that enemies won't interfere with non-participating players, so Content finder will most likely won't be used for this)
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Content Finder will only really be used if:

-Content is Easy enough to tackle down Via Random people
-If People dont have enough time to looking for "awesome people" and just want to get in a quick match before doing there real life duties or have other things planned.
-People that are impatient to find people on their Server, so they resort to content finder
-If it takes to long to finder people Via PC Search to do Content that's easy enough to tackle down with random people they will use it.

[Aldwin]

To reply to my own post. I remember a long time ago in xi I had an exp party. Back then, you had a tank, healer, rdm blm and usually 2 random DD. Our tank, a nin , wasn't doing so great. He was trying, he had bad gear, he was asking for help in the party. A member of my group laughed, called him a nub, and said lets kick him and find a good player. The party leader kicked him. I also left the party, telling them all how rude I thought they were, and adding them to my blist so I hope never to party with them again.

I personally believe you would see more behavior like this in DF, and less people standing up to it.

[Starlord]

To reply to my own post. I remember a long time ago in xi I had an exp party. Back then, you had a tank, healer, rdm blm and usually 2 random DD. Our tank, a nin , wasn't doing so great. He was trying, he had bad gear, he was asking for help in the party. A member of my group laughed, called him a nub, and said lets kick him and find a good player. The party leader kicked him. I also left the party, telling them all how rude I thought they were, and adding them to my blist so I hope never to party with them again.

I personally believe you would see more behavior like this in DF, and less people standing up to it.

Which in over time, half the people won't use it as much any more considering the Behavior of some people.

[Rokien]

Which in over time, half the people won't use it as much any more considering the Behavior of some people.

IF people are not going to use it(like the goobuu) why put it in there in the first place -.-

[Krausus]

IF people are not going to use it(like the goobuu) why put it in there in the first place -.-

people do use the gobbue and they seem to always want to use them on narrow walks ways next to me D=

[Jinko]

IF people are not going to use it(like the goobuu) why put it in there in the first place -.-

SE added the original party finder - people didn't use it.
SE added the new search feature - people barely use it.

There is a pattern forming here and I hope that Content finder doesn't end up the same, of course most of the problem with the previous features were they weren't intuitive or demanded a players attention so they went unnoticed.

3rd times the charm .. as they say

I can "Not use it" all I want but if everything in the game is designed around it (instanced) I don't have much choice if I want to play the game do I?

Pretty much, but then you have to re-evaluate whether it is worth playing a game you don't enjoy any longer.

Fact is as others have said content finder is coming, you have to accept that and make a decision.

[Jynx]

Fact is as others have said content finder is coming, you have to accept that and make a decision.

Thanks for the tip but I'll continue to fight tooth and nail for the type of game I want. If content finder ends up making the game less enjoyable for me I will pack my bags and leave but until that time...

[Jinko]

Thanks for the tip but I'll continue to fight tooth and nail for the type of game I want. If content finder ends up making the game less enjoyable for me I will pack my bags and leave but until that time...

You seem to think that any of use have that much swing, just look at the primal loot situation, we have been QQing about it for months now and nothing has been done about it.

I sure as hell know I'm not going to change Yoshida's mind on something he is determined to add to the game, so why would you be any different ?

If he wanted our opinion specifically about content finder and instancing he would make a poll.