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    ChrysOCE's Avatar
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    Chrys Anthemum
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    Quote Originally Posted by R041 View Post
    The cracks are starting to show.. I even think Mr. Happy might be out of touch with what Medium / Midcore content actually looks like in an MMO - And what people may want.

    I think Savage is used by Raiders to depict Midcore, sometimes even out of spite. But I accept their definition of EX and first tier as being a form of Midcore - So least we can agree there's not enough out there.

    But I think it's really weird for people to consider Eureka and Bozja as Casual, when we all admit that only a about a quarter of the community has even managed to get through parts of it, whether out of some form of difficulty, or general frustration of the grind itself.
    Probably because there's a real distinction between a casual/midcore/hardcore player and casual/midcore/hardcore content. And that's not even getting into time based distinctions (how long do you play the game for, log in daily for several hours to once a week/fortnight).
    If EX is midcore, I don't know what to say. Maybe some of them, maybe they used to be. EXs that require specific timed movement that results in party wipes (not just individual player deaths) if even just one person messes up, is not what I would call midcore content. But a hardcore player, used to savage and doing EX on release, will look at that and go: "yea, its easy, what's the problem?".
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrysOCE View Post
    Probably because there's a real distinction between a casual/midcore/hardcore player and casual/midcore/hardcore content. And that's not even getting into time based distinctions (how long do you play the game for, log in daily for several hours to once a week/fortnight).
    If EX is midcore, I don't know what to say. Maybe some of them, maybe they used to be. EXs that require specific timed movement that results in party wipes (not just individual player deaths) if even just one person messes up, is not what I would call midcore content. But a hardcore player, used to savage and doing EX on release, will look at that and go: "yea, its easy, what's the problem?".



    The problem is "Casual" doesn't mean bad. it just means "doesn't play as much".


    You can have casual players who have ultimate clears because they are that skilled. You can have hardcore players that struggle in the story.


    This has always been a problem in XIV for some reason. People use casual for "easy" and not time invested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    The problem is "Casual" doesn't mean bad. it just means "doesn't play as much".


    You can have casual players who have ultimate clears because they are that skilled. You can have hardcore players that struggle in the story.


    This has always been a problem in XIV for some reason. People use casual for "easy" and not time invested.
    No, I wouldn't necessarily say it's bad either. But I do think there is a distinction between the player and the content and both can be and are different levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    You can have casual players who have ultimate clears because they are that skilled. You can have hardcore players that struggle in the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    The problem is "Casual" doesn't mean bad. it just means "doesn't play as much".


    You can have casual players who have ultimate clears because they are that skilled. You can have hardcore players that struggle in the story.


    This has always been a problem in XIV for some reason. People use casual for "easy" and not time invested.
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