Zepla: The Players Endwalker Left Behind

[VerdeLuck]

I kind of agree, but that's why I pointed out Bozja. CLL, DR normal, and Dal were a lot more midcore. And for all the complaints at the time, Bozja was largely a huge success.

Bozja still has the requirement of joining discord servers and reading guides. For the most part Bozja and Eureka are owned by 1-2 discord servers per DC and you either join those and run the content with their guides and by their rules, or you really don't do it very easily.
That's something I would definitey say should not be a part of midcore content. If EX fights and Savages, which are considered hardcore, don't have discord voice chat, discord integration, or guides required to attempt, then I don't see why something that's supposed to fill the niche directly below, and designed to lead into it it would require those.

[ChrysOCE]

Bozja still has the requirement of joining discord servers and reading guides. For the most part Bozja and Eureka are owned by 1-2 discord servers per DC and you either join those and run the content with their guides and by their rules, or you really don't do it very easily.
That's something I would definitey say should not be a part of midcore content. If EX fights and Savages, which are considered hardcore, don't have discord voice chat, discord integration, or guides required to attempt, then I don't see why something that's supposed to fill the niche directly below, and designed to lead into it it would require those.

Where is there a requirement for Bozja to join a discord? The only thing I can think of, is DRS, which is fair enough. But I've never heard or experienced anyone requiring discord, to either do field content, CLL, DR or Dal. Same with Eureka, outside of BA. Or is that what you are meaning - BA and DRS?

[VerdeLuck]

Where is there a requirement for Bozja to join a discord? The only thing I can think of, is DRS, which is fair enough. But I've never heard or experienced anyone requiring discord, to either do field content, CLL, DR or Dal. Same with Eureka, outside of BA. Or is that what you are meaning - BA and DRS?

BA and DRS need discord for sure, but other parts of the content push you towards discord.

CLL DR, DAL all need a base number of players to complete, which the solution I most often see is "just join this discord and ask for a run to be set up"
Same for Eureka and killing quite a few of the NMs, a lot of them require a base number of players to kill, along with playing solo making it incredibly punishing to die at all.

The most important part about midcore content to me is it should not need the same group of players to be present consistently and there should be no outside guides or organization needed to attempt it. If you need to go over to a discord or outside of the game client for guides or to organize a run of content, it's starting to approach more effort and requirements than midcore entails. I shoudl be able to go into midcore content on mostly current item level gear, throw up a PF or a LFG post inside the area, and find everything I need inside of the game client there.

[Renathras]

If people want to have a proper discussion without forum users who hate Zepla and think Zepla is a big bully,

None of us said that.

thank u, next

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I again want to thank everyone engaging in good faith discussion here. You guys really are the heroes of the forum.

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BA and DRS need discord for sure, but other parts of the content push you towards discord.

CLL DR, DAL all need a base number of players to complete, which the solution I most often see is "just join this discord and ask for a run to be set up"
Same for Eureka and killing quite a few of the NMs, a lot of them require a base number of players to kill, along with playing solo making it incredibly punishing to die at all.

Don't the FATEs adjust in difficulty based on number of players in the zone? I know I've been in some low pop/odd hours instances before and could solo at least some of the NMs.

[Zairava]

BA and DRS need discord for sure, but other parts of the content push you towards discord.

CLL DR, DAL all need a base number of players to complete, which the solution I most often see is "just join this discord and ask for a run to be set up"
Same for Eureka and killing quite a few of the NMs, a lot of them require a base number of players to kill, along with playing solo making it incredibly punishing to die at all.

You don't need discord for CLL, DR, and DAL either. Sure you're going to need people but you can just make a party finder if there genuinely isn't enough people there or try again later. I can agree with Eureka being too punishing to die until you get to the max level for each area, but once you get Zadnor losing mettle is essentially meaningless since they basically throw mettle at you there

[ChrysOCE]

You don't need discord for CLL, DR, and DAL either. Sure you're going to need people but you can just make a party finder if there genuinely isn't enough people there or try again later. I can agree with Eureka being too punishing to die until you get to the max level for each area, but once you get Zadnor losing mettle is essentially meaningless since they basically throw mettle at you there

I think it also depends on where in Eureka you are at. With echo and actions, I feel you can solo outside of max level pretty easy. But, unless you are a tank, you ideally should have a defensive action on. And set your magia board accordingly. If you are just going in with offensive (or not even any) actions and not attuning your magia board to the enemy, yea, it's gonna be rough. Anemos and Pagos, maybe it's harder? Even then, with Eureka, your weekly challenge log makes any loss of experience a pretty minor thing. You will either make the xp back, doing your current zone NMs and/or get it back with challenge log.

[Zairava]

I think it also depends on where in Eureka you are at. With echo and actions, I feel you can solo outside of max level pretty easy. But, unless you are a tank, you ideally should have a defensive action on. And set your magia board accordingly. If you are just going in with offensive (or not even any) actions and not attuning your magia board to the enemy, yea, it's gonna be rough. Anemos and Pagos, maybe it's harder? Even then, with Eureka, your weekly challenge log makes any loss of experience a pretty minor thing. You will either make the xp back, doing your current zone NMs and/or get it back with challenge log.

Fair points. Can't believe I forgot about the challenge log seeing as how I've mentioned it multiple times in the past as the reason Eureka is soloable.

Now that Eureka is going to be 3 expansions old when Dawntrail releases, I think they could start putting more measures into Eureka to make it easier on people progressing. I think a bigger addition to help people would be to let people exchange crystals for logograms inside of pyros and hydatos. As well as being able to elemental transfer other crystals into other types (Anemos -> Pagos, Pagos -> Pyros, and so forth)

[Zairava]

Bozja still has the requirement of joining discord servers and reading guides. For the most part Bozja and Eureka are owned by 1-2 discord servers per DC and you either join those and run the content with their guides and by their rules, or you really don't do it very easily.
That's something I would definitey say should not be a part of midcore content. If EX fights and Savages, which are considered hardcore, don't have discord voice chat, discord integration, or guides required to attempt, then I don't see why something that's supposed to fill the niche directly below, and designed to lead into it it would require those.

It really isn't the entirety of Eureka and Bozja. As far as I've seen, it's Baldesian Arsenal (due to Portals, and people new to Hydatos aren't going to know how it works), and Delebrum Reginae Savage. The both of them require some degree of organization, which is a good thing, and it's easiest to do it with discord due to how accessible it is. They help organize these, for both veterans to them and new people looking to learn. You can still go in to basically everything else they have to offer without concern.