Zepla: The Players Endwalker Left Behind

[Renathras]

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I don't disagree with you, though I think it's a bit more nuanced. I remember Extremes not being AS punishing in the past. Maybe it's rose tinted goggles, but I remember being able to recover from deaths and clear, and now, they seem to have a lot more body checks that lead to wipes like Savages do and a lot more overlapping mechanics. I HAD to watch a guide for Ex5's big combo attack at the end because the X/Box expanding pattern just isn't visually obvious while also trying to deal with the stack/spread things. Extremes used to be more midcore content than they are now, so we had that bridge better in the past, even as recent as ShB. Emerald Weapon (the fight that is now Golbez) was hard, but that's because it hit hard. Other than the balls at the start, if you had a death or two, you could get those people back on their feet and keep going. If you're short a person in either Gales 2 or 3 or the meteor/flare/knockback (either one of them) or the skyfall thing then two man circles (that are immediately followed up by said body checks), then it's a wipe. In Emerald, if someone died to the sword cross attacks, you could raise them and you could survive the group stack marker that came after it even if down a person.

It was hard (in a way, harder), but it wasn't as pass/fail, which I think is the line between midcore and hardcore.

I would disagree with BA being midcore, it has the same hallmarks of what makes something generally hardcore.

I kind of agree, but that's why I pointed out Bozja. CLL, DR normal, and Dal were a lot more midcore. And for all the complaints at the time, Bozja was largely a huge success.

.. You posted this thread out of spite, and didn't start with talking points - Only disdain. That's what bitterness looks like my dude. lol

Oh? Are you psychic, friend?

No, I didn't. But I'm not going to entertain attempts to derail the thread. If you want to personally go after me, please do so in the other thread so this one can stay on topic and not be derailed.