A new tactic for the dissatisfied

[Jojoya]

Except you are the one pretending that they are different, the burden is actually on you, not me, gamers are gamers, be it on steam or any other pc platform, you can stop with that, it makes no sense.

I think I can rest my case now.

Not everyone who plays considers themselves a gamer, nor does everyone who considers themselves a gamer play the same way.

Need evidence? No need to look any farther than these forums and even in this thread.

You can stop with your own nonsense now.

Pretty much, I'm still waiting on either Jojoya or Renathras to give me evidence that steam players play differently than Standalone players, and by evidence, I dont mean "my friends do this" I mean actual evidence.

I have a feeling I'll wait for a very long time, I have done my part and showed evidence of my claim, let's see theirs.

Could you link back to your proof that all gamers are the same? I can't seem to find it.

[Stormpeaks]

I think I can rest my case now.

Not everyone who plays considers themselves a gamer, nor does everyone who considers themselves a gamer play the same way.

Need evidence? No need to look any farther than these forums and even in this thread.

You can stop with your own nonsense now.

It's ok dont worry, I can rest my case too with this :

So you just claim steam player base behaves very differently without source, got it.

[Jojoya]

It's ok dont worry, I can rest my case too with this :

But Saraide didn't provide any sources prove that the player base behaves the same whether Steam or standalone.

Double standard much?

Both sides can be convinced they're right but neither will ever be able to provide proof. Why?

Because SE doesn't release demographic information for FFXIV. They also don't release active player counts.

Here's a link to an article with some general statistics across the gaming industry, though not all of what they reference is specific to 2023:

https://playtoday.co/blog/stats/gamer-demographics/

Here's some Steam statistics as of 2022.

https://sidetrain.com/guides/steam-u...hic-statistics

I could get a brief glance at the 2023 from Statista.com before a pop-up window blocks them because of a paywall.

https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1...r-share-by-age
https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1...hare-by-gender

If I can remember correctly, age demographics were roughly 5% 18-19, 33% 20-29, 34% 30-39, 20% 40-49 with the remainder over 50. US user by gender was about 80% male to 20% female (compared to the PlayToday international numbers of 70% male to 30% female).

The best I can find for demographics for FFXIV come from a quoted 2022 NHK poll (NHK is Japan's public media organization).

According to a poll by NHK, the demographics of people who play FFXIV are 49.2% female, 50.8% male.

Age groups are as follows:
~19 years old: 3.7%
20-29: 38.2%
30-39: 39.7%
40-49: 15.5%
50-59: 2.6%
60+: 0.4%

While the age groups more or less align with Steam, the gender split does not.

So it appears that Steam users are 70/30 male to female and PS4/5 users 59/41 male to female. If those numbers are assumed to be representative of those using those platforms to play FFXIV as well, what is left to explain how FFXIV gets to 51/49 male to female? The standalone PC group. That would have to be predominantly female to get the gender ratio to match what is reported for the game.

Do you believe both genders are going to have the same gaming habits by age considering women are still generally burdened with most of the child raising and household management duties?

Everyone can drag their proof out. None of it means anything because we'll are still making assumptions that may or may not be accurate. Only SE knows what is happening and they're not talking.

[Stormpeaks]

But Saraide didn't provide any sources prove that the player base behaves the same whether Steam or standalone.

Double standard much?

Both sides can be convinced they're right but neither will ever be able to provide proof. Why?

Because SE doesn't release demographic information for FFXIV. They also don't release active player counts.

Here's a link to an article with some general statistics across the gaming industry, though not all of what they reference is specific to 2023:

https://playtoday.co/blog/stats/gamer-demographics/

Here's some Steam statistics as of 2022.

https://sidetrain.com/guides/steam-u...hic-statistics

I could get a brief glance at the 2023 from Statista.com before a pop-up window blocks them because of a paywall.

https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1...r-share-by-age
https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1...hare-by-gender

If I can remember correctly, age demographics were roughly 5% 18-19, 33% 20-29, 34% 30-39, 20% 40-49 with the remainder over 50. US user by gender was about 80% male to 20% female (compared to the PlayToday international numbers of 70% male to 30% female).

The best I can find for demographics for FFXIV come from a quoted 2022 NHK poll (NHK is Japan's public media organization).



While the age groups more or less align with Steam, the gender split does not.

So it appears that Steam users are 70/30 male to female and PS4/5 users 59/41 male to female. If those numbers are assumed to be representative of those using those platforms to play FFXIV as well, what is left to explain how FFXIV gets to 51/49 male to female? The standalone PC group. That would have to be predominantly female to get the gender ratio to match what is reported for the game.

Do you believe both genders are going to have the same gaming habits by age considering women are still generally burdened with most of the child raising and household management duties?

Everyone can drag their proof out. None of it means anything because we'll are still making assumptions that may or may not be accurate. Only SE knows what is happening and they're not talking.

what the actual hell are you talking about age ranges LOL and what does this have to do with steam users playing games differently than standalone users ?

just stop lmao, what a waste of time

[Renathras]

But Saraide didn't provide any sources prove that the player base behaves the same whether Steam or standalone.

Double standard much?

Yes, very much. It doesn't matter what evidence you present, none of it will be taken seriously. Meanwhile, they can present no evidence and believe that everyone must agree to them and anyone who does not has to prove the negative.

Worse, many forget when they ARE given evidence, or ignore it. All but one of the claims in this thread I provided evidence to in past discussions, yet people bring them up insisting it never happened. They disagreed with what was presented, and so concluded nothing was presented.

But keep up the good fight. I honestly don't get why some people are so ideologically consumed that they think that way, but hey, it is what it is. You've already been throw into the box with me as persona non grata, though, so don't expect them to listen.

[Saraide]

But Saraide didn't provide any sources prove that the player base behaves the same whether Steam or standalone.

Double standard much?

No, my first post in this discussion was asking renathras for source on their claim that steam players behave differently than non-steam players. Which they failed to provide of course but pretended that they could. I wish they had because I'm pretty tired of player count arguments. If you or anyone else managed to actually shut it down with real evidence I would be grateful. Because no one genuinely cares about player numbers.

[Jojoya]

No, my first post in this discussion was asking renathras for source on their claim that steam players behave differently than non-steam players. Which they failed to provide of course but pretended that they could. I wish they had because I'm pretty tired of player count arguments. If you or anyone else managed to actually shut it down with real evidence I would be grateful. Because no one genuinely cares about player numbers.

It's just conjecture on your part that Steam players don't behave differently from non-Steam players. You offer no evidence to prove that. Why should someone else be required to offer evidence that they do if you won't offer evidence on your side that they don't?

"Gamers are gamers" gets tossed around. Did anyone stop to consider that not everyone who plays an online game considers themselves to be a gamer? The term means different things to different people.

Even among those who consider themselves gamers, there will be differences. One might be a young adult just out of high school with plenty of time on their hands and their parents credit card in hand while another could be in their mid 30s working 50 hours a week with 4 kids and a huge mortgage. Are those two going to have the same playing habits? Not likely.

Clearly there are some who care about player numbers because the question has frequently come up in every MMORPG I've played over the years and people start arguing over it.

But I would agree that it's not something anyone should care about. The only meaningful thing is if you're having fun and feel like your money has been well spent.

So, I'm having fun in FFXIV and I feel like my money is being well spent. What about you?