A new tactic for the dissatisfied

[Remish]

I don't know how all the steam stuff works for this game. So apologies for my ignorance. But I want to ask, is it at all possible that the population drop in a particular category like Steam could also just be in part players swapping over to the Windows version of the game? Like, I'm not sure if QuickLauncher works with Steam or not and if that could be impacting numbers.

[LittleImp]

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That wall of text is so riddled with so many unjustifiable assumptions that it's essentially just nonsense. You seriously should have just stopped at "Both Sides", because this entire screed made your position seem substantially weaker.

I don't know how all the steam stuff works for this game. So apologies for my ignorance. But I want to ask, is it at all possible that the population drop in a particular category like Steam could also just be in part players swapping over to the Windows version of the game? Like, I'm not sure if QuickLauncher works with Steam or not and if that could be impacting numbers.

Quicklauncher works with Steam.

Afaik it's not possible to share or transfer an account between the PC and Steam version, so it's very unlikely that any large number of people are going out of their way to swap versions.

[Jojoya]

what the actual hell are you talking about age ranges LOL and what does this have to do with steam users playing games differently than standalone users ?

just stop lmao, what a waste of time

"I don't care to acknowledge your sources because they don't support my head canon that I can't provide any proof for".

Got it.

You start by saying both sides can be right and say there's no way of confirming who is, then proceed to try anyways.

I didn't say both sides can be right. Check your reading comprehension.

They kept bugging me for sources that support what I believe, so I gave them some sources.

That wall of text is so riddled with so many unjustifiable assumptions that it's essentially just nonsense. You seriously should have just stopped at "Both Sides", because this entire screed made your position seem substantially weaker.



Quicklauncher works with Steam.

Afaik it's not possible to share or transfer an account between the PC and Steam version, so it's very unlikely that any large number of people are going out of their way to swap versions.

"Gamers are gamers" is a statement that is nothing but a bunch of unjustifiable assumptions and yet you guys seem happy to present that as "proof" for your side.

There goes those double standards again.

[Thurmnmurmn]

I didn't say both sides can be right. Check your reading comprehension.

You said both sides can be convinced they're right but can't prove it due to there being no proof.
If you didn't mean it as both can be right, then your own argument works against you in this case.

[Thurmnmurmn]

Worse, many forget when they ARE given evidence, or ignore it. All but one of the claims in this thread I provided evidence to in past discussions, yet people bring them up insisting it never happened. They disagreed with what was presented, and so concluded nothing was presented.

To be fair, a ton of people have already told you they don't read your posts because it's needlessly long.

I actually skip over most of your posts myself. That's why this reply is so much later then my other post. I'm home now and decided I'd read the full thread for fun.

My opinion on all this. We have no concrete stats so why argue with others about your point of view? People already have their mind set and there's no real proof to change anyone's mind.
If you're enjoying the game, why does it matter that someone else doesn't? Same vice versa.

[Saraide]

But Saraide didn't provide any sources prove that the player base behaves the same whether Steam or standalone.

Double standard much?

No, my first post in this discussion was asking renathras for source on their claim that steam players behave differently than non-steam players. Which they failed to provide of course but pretended that they could. I wish they had because I'm pretty tired of player count arguments. If you or anyone else managed to actually shut it down with real evidence I would be grateful. Because no one genuinely cares about player numbers.

[sindriiisgaming]

Let's face it, even if there is a decent sized portion of the game's population that is wants to see improvements, even if that entire group banded together and created one mega petition, nothing would come of it.

People are rarely interested in making the effort to prevent issues from arising, but when the issues has become a problem, often there's motivation.

I understand that there's a lot of impassioned people who truly want to see improvements, so this might be hard, but this is one of the faster remedies. Give up hoping for change, give up asking for change. Leave things be, and encourage them to stay the same and continue down the path they're continuing. The faster you allow the situation to fester the faster you'll get your results of change when the issues you find troublesome reach the point where they can no longer be ignored.

I don't personally hate the game, but there's a lot of improvements I'd like that I know have no chance of ever being added to the game as it stands currently. Keep playing and doing whatever you enjoy in the game or quit if there's nothing left for you, while supporting the game's current path. Hope for the worst and encourage it because the sooner it occurs the sooner you'll see change.

Pretty sure it was this exact opposite attitude that fixed the game in 1.0 so why would I suddenly now stop trying. What do u personally gain from telling ppl to give up hope? Is it some inconvenience to you? Then u should leave

[Jojoya]

No, my first post in this discussion was asking renathras for source on their claim that steam players behave differently than non-steam players. Which they failed to provide of course but pretended that they could. I wish they had because I'm pretty tired of player count arguments. If you or anyone else managed to actually shut it down with real evidence I would be grateful. Because no one genuinely cares about player numbers.

It's just conjecture on your part that Steam players don't behave differently from non-Steam players. You offer no evidence to prove that. Why should someone else be required to offer evidence that they do if you won't offer evidence on your side that they don't?

"Gamers are gamers" gets tossed around. Did anyone stop to consider that not everyone who plays an online game considers themselves to be a gamer? The term means different things to different people.

Even among those who consider themselves gamers, there will be differences. One might be a young adult just out of high school with plenty of time on their hands and their parents credit card in hand while another could be in their mid 30s working 50 hours a week with 4 kids and a huge mortgage. Are those two going to have the same playing habits? Not likely.

Clearly there are some who care about player numbers because the question has frequently come up in every MMORPG I've played over the years and people start arguing over it.

But I would agree that it's not something anyone should care about. The only meaningful thing is if you're having fun and feel like your money has been well spent.

So, I'm having fun in FFXIV and I feel like my money is being well spent. What about you?

[Reimmi]

The dissatisfied are the severe minority. They think that they're bigger than they are, as they cannot fathom that most players are happy with the game.

Well yeah the dissatisfied will become a minority and then only like 5000 people who are happy with nothing to do except mod the game with butt ugly face mods and afk in limsa or go to clubs will be playing

[NekoMataMata]

Pretty sure it was this exact opposite attitude that fixed the game in 1.0 so why would I suddenly now stop trying. What do u personally gain from telling ppl to give up hope? Is it some inconvenience to you? Then u should leave

Attitudes were different back then weren't they? I've seen videos discussing 1.0. It was a dumpster fire, and there was no debate over that.

You have some crowds that believe the game is great, and some that don't right now. This is an idea aimed at remedying that. Instead of arguing and fighting, see where things go, let the experience of one side sink in completely.