A new tactic for the dissatisfied

[MintnHoney]

Is there anything out there to move on to? This is my first and only MMO. Like yeah, I could go back to mainly pvp games, but it's not really the same.

I wouldn't, say, "move on" to it (it's very old), but if you're looking for a wild and crazy time, you can always try my absolute favorite MMO ever, Granado Espada. If nothing else, the concept is great and the music even better (of which, might I recommend: Witch on a Diet, Purple Snow, Rhapsody, Arpegionne Sonata, Ocean Dream, Forget-Me-Not, and Jeremy?).
Otherwise, for the moment, we've kinda really have nothing notable in the MMORPG genre that comes to mind immediately, to the point where I'm looking forward to seeing that spiritual successor to Dragon Nest release even though it's basically another gacha game.

[Carin-Eri]

Is there anything out there to move on to? This is my first and only MMO. Like yeah, I could go back to mainly pvp games, but it's not really the same.

A question I found myself asking of the game I played prior to moving to FFXIV. In fact, my experience of that game is probably the reason that I don't make much of a fuss about FFXIV's perceived shortcomings.

That isn't to say that I disagree with some of the criticism - some fair points have been, and whilst I'm not going to pretend that I didn't enjoy Endwalker as I did for the most part.

Coming from a game with a very heavy commitment to gambleboxes, a very sleazy attitude toward said gambleboxes ("we don't sell gambleboxes, we sell virtual currency that players can choose to use to purchase an item that opens the boxes"), Pay to Win, lack of any new playable content due to said commitment to making items to put in gambleboxes or expensive (up to £600) multi-item bundles instead of making playable content, and a CM and Devs who seem to have little issue with using their personal Twitter accounts to badmouth player feedback. In fact, one of them did so recently - bemoaning the fact that they produced some new stuff and players had the audacity to ask for more. I could go on, but see little point.

To be fair, it was a gradual decline that picked up momentum - they clearly looked to the mobile-gaming industry and tried to apply the cash-grab mentality that those games often adopt to an MMO. And it came at the cost of new content - one or two new pieces of 45-minute's worth of story content every six months.

Point is, I guess I still feel as if FFXIV has been a breath of fresh air after playing a game run by a company with nothing in mind beyond strip-mining as much revenue as they can from players/customers via gambleboxes.

[Renathras]

Source please

Still waiting on the source that the playerbase as a whole has dropped 70%.

I can provide the source for the above as soon as that source is provided.

[Connor]

Gonna sound harsh but it always seems like veteran players heavily overestimate their own worth to the game lol. Aren’t there 10 new players who are going to be subbed for at least several months to finish storyline, for every 1 veteran that leaves from sheer boredom?

The game gets like this every expansion cycle lol, hell even in the later ARR patches the amount of players dropped off pretty heavily.

It doesn’t really matter how hard one tries with the ‘speak with your wallet’ tactic, it’s sadly guaranteed to fail because for every wallet they lose they’re gaining another 10. Then when those 10 wallets inevitably all quit there’ll be another 10 just starting the game, and the wheel keeps spinning.

[Saraide]

Still waiting on the source that the playerbase as a whole has dropped 70%.

I can provide the source for the above as soon as that source is provided.

So you just claim steam player base behaves very differently without source, got it.

[Renathras]

So you just claim steam player base behaves very differently without source, got it.

Nope, didn't say that.

I said I'll give you the source when you provide the source the playerbase as a whole has dropped 70%.

EDIT:

psst - I also didn't say they "behaves very differently", either. At least get the claim right.

EDIT2:

It is your claim or you have no claim.

It literally wasn't my claim. You quoted my actual claim. Now you're trying to waste my post count. I won't give you the satisfaction here, so you'll have to take an edit instead.

You even quoted me:

Partly this.

Steam players are also generally more diverse than just the MMO or JRPG markets. That is, different likes and different preferences

...showing you know I didn't make the claim!

Specifically, Steam as a platform sells many types of games. Very few people only have one game in their Steam library, or only MMOs. As for preferences, you simply look at the Steam Charts. The most popular games are generally not MMOs, or only MMOs. This means the average Steam user is not strictly a MMO/JRPG player. Indeed, right now, there's only one arguable JRPG (a battle royal) in the top ten, and no MMORPGs.

The more difficult question to answer would be if the Steam FFXIV playerbase is identical to the non-Steam FFXIV playerbase, but we have no real data to support either conclusion, so both must be treated as suspect until support is provided.

They tend to make claims a lot without any data to back them up then expect others to provide sources.

Ah, the third person passive aggressive heckling peanut gallery has arrived.

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In any case, I'll note the 70% overall FFXIV player drop number has not been show - neither an actual statistic showing it directly NOR the Steam statistic + another statistic showing the Steam and non-Steam FFXIV playerbases are identical. So it was a claim made with no evidence which, of course, neither of you take issue with, because you want them to be true and agree with the people presenting those "statistics" who refuse to provide sources.

Good job having double standards.

[Carin-Eri]

Gonna sound harsh but it always seems like veteran players heavily overestimate their own worth to the game lol. Aren’t there 10 new players who are going to be subbed for at least several months to finish storyline, for every 1 veteran that leaves from sheer boredom?

The game gets like this every expansion cycle lol, hell even in the later ARR patches the amount of players dropped off pretty heavily.

It doesn’t really matter how hard one tries with the ‘speak with your wallet’ tactic, it’s sadly guaranteed to fail because for every wallet they lose they’re gaining another 10. Then when those 10 wallets inevitably all quit there’ll be another 10 just starting the game, and the wheel keeps spinning.

Might be some truth in that. It's probably also why we get so few genuine newbies here (on the forum) - they're too busy playing the MSQ, whereas all we can do here is reflect on said MSQ in the past-tense and discuss endgame content.

[Nebelheim]

So you just claim steam player base behaves very differently without source, got it.

They tend to make claims a lot without any data to back them up then expect others to provide sources.

[Saraide]

Nope, didn't say that.

I said I'll give you the source when you provide the source the playerbase as a whole has dropped 70%.

EDIT:

psst - I also didn't say they "behaves very differently", either. At least get the claim right.

It is your claim or you have no claim. You cant say they behave the same and then say steam numbers are not representative. This claim is also independent of any specific claim about how much player numbers dropped. If steam numbers showed an increase by 30% or whatever you would still bring up the same point that steam players behave differently and you would still have to prove that.

[LianaThorne]

Is there anything out there to move on to? This is my first and only MMO. Like yeah, I could go back to mainly pvp games, but it's not really the same.

In the MMO sphere of things, not really imo. I've slowly moved into the Hoyoverse & HOTTA worlds while waiting for patch updates here. They both manage to push out updates monthly/bi-monthly which is a breath of fresh air compared to here.