Variant/Criterion dungeons are more dead than Bozja/Eureka ever were

[Winterfang]

"If you dont want a grind then dont play an MMO"

Funny, if you look at the MMO space say World of Warcraft,

There's a HUGE difference between the OPTIONAL Side Content that has no barring on other factors in the game like Forays in XIV does and the total BS that WoW Pulled around their Later expansions where Mandatory Daily Log-Ins were required with BS power systems were in mind when developing their end game content and were needed to progress their game. Trying to equate these two is so damn insane when neither SB or ShB were this massive insulting grind game and still had other things for people who didn't want to step into that content.

[Deo14]

There's a HUGE difference between the OPTIONAL Side Content that has no barring on other factors in the game like Forays in XIV does and the total BS that WoW Pulled around their Later expansions where Mandatory Daily Log-Ins were required with BS power systems were in mind when developing their end game content and were needed to progress their game. Trying to equate these two is so damn insane when neither SB or ShB were this massive insulting grind game and still had other things for people who didn't want to step into that content.

But Atelier admitted that she forced herself to do Bozja relics even though she hated it. Don't try to reason with her, she wants to play all optional content, so all of it must suit her tastes.

[Supersnow845]

But Atelier admitted that she forced herself to do Bozja relics even though she hated it. Don't try to reason with her, she wants to play all optional content, so all of it must suit her tastes.

14 forces you play “all” content if you want any content to play because it releases so little content

Still doesn’t excuse wanting all side content tailored to you because you can’t help but do all content but there is an argument to be said that 14 needs to actually damn well release enough content there is actually choice

[AwesomeJr44]

But Atelier admitted that she forced herself to do Bozja relics even though she hated it. Don't try to reason with her, she wants to play all optional content, so all of it must suit her tastes.

Plus she has to do it on her 4 MSQ alts too lmao

[Atelier-Bagur]

But Atelier admitted that she forced herself to do Bozja relics even though she hated it. Don't try to reason with her, she wants to play all optional content, so all of it must suit her tastes.

The fact that you and other people still play this game doesnt make you any better than me or anyone else. I did the content on my alts because I wanted the completion and the specific relic glams for my characters. That doesnt excuse it for the grind to be that tedious and boring.

Why in the hell did you had to get 20 of each memory type for a single weapon, farming FATES? Or how about 15 Timeworn artifacts doing Delibrum Reginae (yes I know you can get them from Deep Dungeons, but its not guaranteed while you get 3 each DR clear, so its clear which one is the more efficient activity)The fact that you have to do that for every weapon basically amounting to do 6 or so DR runs is so agonizing awful that its just destroyed any fun that raid had. At least they didnt do that with a previous memory step where you could run CLL for them but you get 5 for every clear alongside any CE that has a chance for giving you 1, and those dont take as long.

And lets not forget the most awful grind design I've ever seen and its just as bad as the dreaded ARR book phase where you had to collect 180 items via Zadnor Fates and Shb raids. Thank god its only a one time grind but that was just so insulting and obviously padded out to heck because Shadowbringers was desperate in keeping retention.

Its just amazing how much easily acceptable these grinds are just because some folk want I quote "long-term progressions grind. Sometimes, you just want to turn off your brain and mindlessly grind".




turn off your brain and mindlessly grind? Thats the saddest thing I ever heard from somebody trying to validate their own enjoyment in a video game. Thats not better than the afk'ers or people who just hang out in Limsa not doing anything and just chatting it up. Its like the other side of the extreme, where there's people who dont want to do anything in the game vs the people who dont to be engaged with the game. Why cant long progression be a fun and an enjoyable journey like in say classic WoW where while the exp gain was slow you had multiple methods of going through it. Why do most steps have to be "just run this particular activity numerous times"? Its embarrassing how say the earlier steps of the ARR relic grind where you had to go find your weapon each at a varied location, get a specific weapon/meld specific materia, go fell these specific monsters, participate in a trial, and go on a treasure hunt had more thought put into it than the obvious lazily designed tasks presented here. Oh and dont you think Im well good with EW's relic steps, the whole tomestone thing is just incredibly dull and lazy.

We have to stop accepting this mediocrity in MMO games. We should want more fun engagement in progression, whether it be mandatory or optional. Just because its "optional" doesnt excuse it for being bad.

[AwesomeJr44]

whatever the post above me is

This is the equivalent of playing an FPS shooter and then asking for the shooting to be removed.

[Atelier-Bagur]

This is the equivalent of playing an FPS shooter and then asking for the shooting to be removed.

I mean you can go ahead and keep making these poor excuses. You preach of wanting quality in many of your posts but when actually challenged, you dont properly respond nor give reasonable answers to counter arguments presented; mostly resorting to petty insults on the poster.