Variant/Criterion dungeons are more dead than Bozja/Eureka ever were

[Atelier-Bagur]

Overwatch 2 is truly one of the MMORPGs of all time. It's not even comparable, you don't grind there, at max you do weekly challenge and rest you get just for playing or buying levels, it's completely irrelevant in this discussion.

Oh? Then why are people hating the whole season pass method of acquiring characters and loot behind terrible grind systems. Grinds that people here want to bring back in FFXIV just for the sake of it?

You do realize the term "grind" is a negative word right? It means "hard, dull daily work" in most dictionaries. If this is supposed to be sold as something thats good and or fun for the game, its doing a poor job at trying to be appealing.

[AwesomeJr44]

the MMO space say World of Warcraft, Lost Ark, Overwatch 2, Diablo 4

Only 2 of these are actual MMOs, one of them is practically a P2W gatcha game with an MMO skin (Lost Ark), and the other one has numerous reasons as to why it's lost its former glory (WoW).

Oh? Then why are people hating the whole season pass method of acquiring characters and loot behind terrible grind systems.

People hate OW2 because of the scummy overpriced microtransactions and frequent broken promises from Blizzard. I guess if you want to make a comparison there, FFXIV has had some scummy overpriced cash shop items and broken promises as of late. But imagine trying to compare OW2's battle pass grind to an MMO's lmao

[Deo14]

Oh? Then why are people hating the whole season pass method of acquiring characters and loot behind terrible grind systems. Grinds that people here want to bring back in FFXIV just for the sake of it?

You do realize the term "grind" is a negative word right? It means "hard, dull daily work" in most dictionaries. If this is supposed to be sold as something thats good and or fun for the game, its doing a poor job at trying to be appealing.

Because it's not a grind. You get XP for simply playing the game (or by just buying it, so Bobby can get another yacht), so it's just as "grindy" as EW relics. If you want to argue about daily bonuses, then that's exactly what roulettes are.

"Grind" isn't necessarily negative word, everyone has their own definition. I personally just call more long-term progressions grind. Sometimes, you just want to turn off your brain and mindlessly grind. Even if you do truly boring tasks, then it can still be rewarding in the end, achievement factor is great, and I enjoy it more than just some instant gratification.