4-month patch cycle was a lie. It's almost 4.5 months now.

[AwesomeJr44]

person with hateboner for SHB rants and raves about how terrible optional grinds are

You know, if you don't like grinds you can just... not do them? Things like the relic grind are not required in any way. If you don't like grinds, then just don't do them, that's not a complex concept to grasp. But that's not what this is about, is it? You just want the rewards for free with none of the content 'baggage' attached. We get it, you people hate MMOs. Your ilk already ruined this expansion's relic 'grind', stop trying to change an MMO into a single player game.

Why does everyone treat it as a personal attack when someone says they want grinds and not want an mmo to play like a single player game.

The answer:

Most gamers now want instant rewards and gratification and handed things then sit in limsa rather then actually do content and grind.

The problem is, that a mass exodus is not coming for FFXIV.

A mass exodus occurs every 4 months, about a day or two after the new patch drops and people have finished their MSQ.

they made a good point and thats all you can come back with?

They didn't make a good point, so they didn't get a good response. Everything they said was either very obvious or dangerously close to making me take another shot for the drinking game.

[Atelier-Bagur]

You know, if you don't like grinds you can just... not do them? Things like the relic grind are not required in any way. If you don't like grinds, then just don't do them, that's not a complex concept to grasp. But that's not what this is about, is it? You just want the rewards for free with none of the content 'baggage' attached. We get it, you people hate MMOs. Your ilk already ruined this expansion's relic 'grind', stop trying to change an MMO into a single player game.



The answer:





A mass exodus occurs every 4 months, about a day or two after the new patch drops and people have finished their MSQ.



They didn't make a good point, so they didn't get a good response. Everything they said was either very obvious or dangerously close to making me take another shot for the drinking game.

Its not about liking grinds is just that GRINDS in of itself are an outdated rpg concept. There is no fun to have having to do the same activity repeatedly because its an obvious padding mechanic to prolong a part of the game or a piece of content. This is a fact; actually you and others saying that grinds are good are pretty much indoctrinated with terrible gaming design.

Actually honestly just having to do a little bit isnt that bad. Like maybe having to run the same instance 2 or 3 times at most. But having to do like 7 or 10 or so for them is just awful. Im sure nobody ever said "GEE WILIKER I SURE DO LOVE RUNNING ANTITOWER AND DELIBRUM REGINAE MULTIPLE TIMES FOR THE SAME GOSH DARN ITEM". Good Content my ass...

[Supersnow845]

^ill run DRN for no reason on the regular because it’s better designed content than anything EW gave us thank you very much

[Archeron]

A mass exodus occurs every 4 months, about a day or two after the new patch drops and people have finished their MSQ.

It's an expected loss of players, there is always an ebb, and flow of people coming into and out of the game for fresh patches.

The ingame shop whales will more then make up for the loss of those players whenever they add another $34 mount that some intern made in a week. FFXIV needs to see a noticeable dip in revenue, that will make Yoshi P panic, and make Square Enix executives raise an eyebrow. Right now, they're very happy with how the game is going. They're spending less, delivering less, and making a killing off of this game, and the people we need to help us think we're insane and they will blindly love FFXIV, regardless of its flaws.

they made a good point and thats all you can come back with? considering how many alt characters you have that you actually yourself post under, I would have thought it wouldnt have bothered you. thin skin I suppose...

Some trolls deserve to starve under a bridge. Feed him no attention.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I like having variety of Lost Actions to mess around with and play in one from multiple different ways on any jobs I pick, whether it's to be that silly overpowered Glare Machine Gun, that goblin fast WAR, or tanking drunkard DNC.

If you tell me to run DRN---or any same content 255 times on a vanilla Glare Mage, I'd be bored too. Oh wait, isn't that what EW relic feels like if you spam 90s dungeons and/or hunt trains? lmao.

[AwesomeJr44]

Some trolls deserve to starve under a bridge. Feed him no attention.

I agree, but I also find you too funny to try and starve you and your puppet account of a friend of attention.

[Koros]

You know, if you don't like grinds you can just... not do them?

They do like grinds, they literally did the MSQ like five times, that really tells you how much they should be ignored

[Puremallace]

I mean the literal producer of the MMO was pulled to make FF16 which was an extremely strange choice. It led to a very poorly thought out itemization system as he was pulled between 2 major projects.

[KizuyaKatogami]

You can actively look at a spreadsheet of what stormblood offered release to post patch, shadowbringers to post and Endwalker to post and EW has way more stuff packed in and released variety-wise (Stormblood got more towards Eureka that was a bigger point) the issue is reasons to run it...if they nailed it I have a feeling people would be far more optimistic about it all. Relic sure could still use an area or something but if it went more HW than tome farming then even that would be better received. However resources are finite, they're doing a visual update, and they are making an Xbox port (which isn't straightforward forward especially with the Series S being a necessity when it comes to releasing anything on Xbox)

If they gave an in depth resource allocation document of what they have to play with showing where they choose to apply it, in EW case it was applied more in PvP reworks, Island Sanctuary, QoL more so then ever before, duty support (including trial, dungeon, castrum, prae, westwind, steps of faith reworks, flying in ARR etc etc) Sure people will view Duty support making it more a single player game and I disagree really. The further we get away from ARR the harder it is for people especially DPS on say non packed servers to queue for stuff. Duty Support will at least let them get through a good majority of the game and then they can DF the trials when they pop.

But yeah people say 'it seems its too hard for them to put out content' its not, their approach seems to be providing for multiple player types and tidying up the foundations to try and entice more players to try the game. Other MMOs don't really cover all bases or clean up their beginnings they keep focusing on the end which yeah its great for someone like me, but I would rather take the loss for a year or so if it meant new players got a better experience it 'should' pay dividends down the line.

I find it hard to believe EW has way more content than SB. SB had hard mode dungeons, 2 Ultimates, 4 relic zones, a relic dungeon, 2 extra trials(yojimbo and rathalos), a new housing district, relic armor, primal weapons for the new jobs(Both ShB and EW didn’t even give the new jobs previous primal weapons), diving, spear fishing, the list goes on.

[Archeron]

I agree, but I also find you too funny to try and starve you and your puppet account of a friend of attention.

I don't blame them for being envious of my friend. Default is a lovely person, when you're not busy insulting her for existing, or sending people to message my FC members ingame. I welcome having an entourage bump topics I'm interested in straight to the top, and then keep them there.