4-month patch cycle was a lie. It's almost 4.5 months now.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Exactly there is already so much content that is casual and doesnt require massive grinds/timesinks there is no reason to deny a grind that last at least the duration of a 4 month patch

No content in the history of this game has ever lasted for that long.

[Nebelheim]

No content in the history of this game has ever lasted for that long.

I been playing since arr released and back then things did last an entire patch. Some of the relic steps took me an entire patch to finish and i was going pretty hardcore on it back then. You seem very combative towards suggestions of people wanting actual grinds and acusing people of wanting lost ark and diablo levels of grinds.

[Dal_and_Sent]

I been playing since arr released and back then things did last an entire patch. Some of the relic steps took me an entire patch to finish and i was going pretty hardcore on it back then. You seem very combative towards suggestions of people wanting actual grinds and acusing people of wanting lost ark and diablo levels of grinds.

I don't know. I'm not really sure that the Hildibrand relic weapons are anywhere near as popular as the ones for previous expansions. I certainly wouldn't want to play through a daily grind for months in order to get one.

[SturmChurro]

I definitely wouldn't mind some more midcore grinds, with some worthwhile rewards. More mounts, glam, hairs, etc.. I'd like to be able to play at endgame a bit more. Stuff like that would help with patch lulls. There is a balance to be made when it comes to a grind.

[AwesomeJr44]

person with hateboner for SHB rants and raves about how terrible optional grinds are

You know, if you don't like grinds you can just... not do them? Things like the relic grind are not required in any way. If you don't like grinds, then just don't do them, that's not a complex concept to grasp. But that's not what this is about, is it? You just want the rewards for free with none of the content 'baggage' attached. We get it, you people hate MMOs. Your ilk already ruined this expansion's relic 'grind', stop trying to change an MMO into a single player game.

Why does everyone treat it as a personal attack when someone says they want grinds and not want an mmo to play like a single player game.

The answer:

Most gamers now want instant rewards and gratification and handed things then sit in limsa rather then actually do content and grind.

The problem is, that a mass exodus is not coming for FFXIV.

A mass exodus occurs every 4 months, about a day or two after the new patch drops and people have finished their MSQ.

they made a good point and thats all you can come back with?

They didn't make a good point, so they didn't get a good response. Everything they said was either very obvious or dangerously close to making me take another shot for the drinking game.

[Atelier-Bagur]

You know, if you don't like grinds you can just... not do them? Things like the relic grind are not required in any way. If you don't like grinds, then just don't do them, that's not a complex concept to grasp. But that's not what this is about, is it? You just want the rewards for free with none of the content 'baggage' attached. We get it, you people hate MMOs. Your ilk already ruined this expansion's relic 'grind', stop trying to change an MMO into a single player game.



The answer:





A mass exodus occurs every 4 months, about a day or two after the new patch drops and people have finished their MSQ.



They didn't make a good point, so they didn't get a good response. Everything they said was either very obvious or dangerously close to making me take another shot for the drinking game.

Its not about liking grinds is just that GRINDS in of itself are an outdated rpg concept. There is no fun to have having to do the same activity repeatedly because its an obvious padding mechanic to prolong a part of the game or a piece of content. This is a fact; actually you and others saying that grinds are good are pretty much indoctrinated with terrible gaming design.

Actually honestly just having to do a little bit isnt that bad. Like maybe having to run the same instance 2 or 3 times at most. But having to do like 7 or 10 or so for them is just awful. Im sure nobody ever said "GEE WILIKER I SURE DO LOVE RUNNING ANTITOWER AND DELIBRUM REGINAE MULTIPLE TIMES FOR THE SAME GOSH DARN ITEM". Good Content my ass...

[Archeron]

A mass exodus occurs every 4 months, about a day or two after the new patch drops and people have finished their MSQ.

It's an expected loss of players, there is always an ebb, and flow of people coming into and out of the game for fresh patches.

The ingame shop whales will more then make up for the loss of those players whenever they add another $34 mount that some intern made in a week. FFXIV needs to see a noticeable dip in revenue, that will make Yoshi P panic, and make Square Enix executives raise an eyebrow. Right now, they're very happy with how the game is going. They're spending less, delivering less, and making a killing off of this game, and the people we need to help us think we're insane and they will blindly love FFXIV, regardless of its flaws.

they made a good point and thats all you can come back with? considering how many alt characters you have that you actually yourself post under, I would have thought it wouldnt have bothered you. thin skin I suppose...

Some trolls deserve to starve under a bridge. Feed him no attention.

[AwesomeJr44]

Some trolls deserve to starve under a bridge. Feed him no attention.

I agree, but I also find you too funny to try and starve you and your puppet account of a friend of attention.

[Archeron]

I agree, but I also find you too funny to try and starve you and your puppet account of a friend of attention.

I don't blame them for being envious of my friend. Default is a lovely person, when you're not busy insulting her for existing, or sending people to message my FC members ingame. I welcome having an entourage bump topics I'm interested in straight to the top, and then keep them there.

[Koros]

I don't blame them for being envious of my friend. Default is a lovely person, when you're not busy insulting her for existing, or sending people to message my FC members ingame. I welcome having an entourage bump topics I'm interested in straight to the top, and then keep them there.

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