Do we really need the Scions again?

[TheOperator3712]

Do WE, the playerbase, need them? No not really, we'll find a way to manage if they take a hike of indeterminate length. Do the devs need them for marketing, pr, and other brand recognition reasons? You bet they do, which is why they will continue to drag them through the story kicking and screaming no matter how many times they "die". And even if they let one of them stay dead, you can be sure that they will find a way to milk that death and remind you of it at every opportunity to keep you emotionally hooked. Is this an overly cynical take? Maybe, but to be honest it's the only one that makes sense to me given the facts that I have available to me.

[ForsakenRoe]

The scions are the best developed characters any MMORPG has ever done.

lol

I'd say that in just FF14, Ysayle/Estinien's dynamic through HW was better. Two people, wanting the same thing, but with completely different ideas on how to get there, and forced to work together despite their differences, eventually gaining mutual respect for one another

As for 'character in any MMORPG', I give more of a damn about the safety of a side character as inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things) as Lucille Waycrest from WOW, or Elena from the Ardougne Plague series of quests in OSRS, than whether or not Y'Shtola manages to use her Aether Satnav to find her way out of the Lifestream after deciding to use forbidden incantations for the 3rd time. See, you can only tell me how important and cool a character is, as a dev, so many times, before I the player stop caring and start thinking 'yeh yeh sure whatever'. I find myself being more concerned for the safety of Krile, or Hoary Boulder, or Arenvald and Fordola (remember how Arenvald got a disability and it had actual ramifications?) At this point, if Lyse and Y'shtola get killed by a falling boulder in an ancient New World ruin, I'd be sadder about Lyse. It's like how they've done callbacks to Haurchefant too many times now. We get it. He helped us in a time of dire need, we miss him. We don't need you giving us flashbacks every expansion to remind us. At a certain point, we stop being sad about the event, because we've gotten reminded about it so often we're just numb to it.

edit: I hope that the 'scions divided' thing they mentioned at Fanfest is like a 'two paths, choose to side with team A or team B to get the treasure first' thing, because that way while none of them 'die', it does mean that half of them sod off and are mostly out of the way for the duration of the expansion. Let me take the 3 least irritating members with me (probably Thancred, Urianger, Krile if she's available/Estinien if not), and let the rest stay offscreen with their tacos and pina coladas

[Darkpaw]

Every time someone posts a new one of these threads, the Scions get booked for one more expansion.

Oh so we’re going go have then forever then? Like legitimately for eternity.

[Darkpaw]

I understand that people love these characters, but do we really need all of them back again? Their character arcs were concluded pretty well in Endwalker, in my opinion. Do we really need to see Y'shtola still being sassy and being the one who explains everything to us? Do we really need to see Estinien being terrible at handling money once again? It's a shame that instead of meeting a whole new cast of characters who will join us from 7.0 onward, we're just back to the same recycled characters again. Erenville could've been the catalyst, the first of our new companions, and then we could've slowly built up our new cast of companions along the way, but I guess that wasn't their plan.

Do we “need” them, no we could do a story without them for sure.

Is that going to ever happen? In my opinion no probably not, and I accepted that the moment Duty support became a thing. Because why make more expensive assets to replace the perfectly good assets you already have. From a business perspective it doesn’t make sense.

Now will this stop them from introducing new characters and new companions? No, but i’d get real cozy with the fact that they are going to be around. Because.. chances are we’re never getting rid of them.

[Zachia]

I mean you're doing exactly that. You're claiming to speak for everyone else too. But you do so with hostility and trying to shut down peoples voices and opinions. I talk for no one, I browse social media pages, I talk to random people online, I see the love that people have for the Scions. TBH if we really wanna be technical and factual. The people playing online are more happy with the game than anyone who spends most of their time on the forum. Why would any self respecting company listen to people who spend more times on the forums than in the games?

As for 'character in any MMORPG', I give more of a damn about the safety of a side character as inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things) as Lucille Waycrest from WOW, or Elena from the Ardougne Plague series of quests in OSRS, than whether or not Y'Shtola manages to use her Aether Satnav to find her way out of the Lifestream after deciding to use forbidden incantations for the 3rd time. See, you can only tell me how important and cool a character is, as a dev, so many times, before I the player stop caring and start thinking 'yeh yeh sure whatever'. It's like how they've done callbacks to Haurchefant too many times now. We get it. He helped us in a time of dire need, we miss him. We don't need you giving us flashbacks every expansion to remind us. At a certain point, we stop being sad about the event, because we've gotten reminded about it so often we're just numb to it.

Waycrest as the character who had one leveling zone story worth of character build up, created the order of embers or what ever and was never ever heard again? Someone so lacking and not even popular that no one cares what happened to her? Mankrik who had even less screen time is more popular than her. I honestly feel like if went with your design in story telling there wouldn't be a lot of people to be there. Also them are fighting words that you dont care about the scions. Can't believe you care more about throw away characters that are one dimension sided than characters who have years of effort put into them.

[Stormpeaks]

I mean you're doing exactly that. You're claiming to speak for everyone else too. But you do so with hostility and trying to shut down peoples voices and opinions. I talk for no one, I browse social media pages, I talk to random people online, I see the love that people have for the Scions. TBH if we really wanna be technical and factual. The people playing online are more happy with the game than anyone who spends most of their time on the forum. Why would any self respecting company listen to people who spend more times on the forums than in the games?



Waycrest as the character who had one leveling zone story worth of character build up, created the order of embers or what ever and was never ever heard again? Someone so lacking and not even popular that no one cares what happened to her? Mankrik who had even less screen time is more popular than her. I honestly feel like if went with your design in story telling there wouldn't be a lot of people to be there. Also them are fighting words that you dont care about the scions. Can't believe you care more about throw away characters that are one dimension sided than characters who have years of effort put into them.

The point went right over your head huh ? You went from saying "yeah everyone thinks x" to "yeah everyone in the game thinks x", literally called yourself out there bud

but good attempt

forum challenge: take a shot every time someone vaguely mentions a silent majority (bonus shot if they change the number every time) or minority in their post

you will not survive.

[Iscah]

The Scions at this point are our character's closest friends, who they call on in times of need. They're not going to vanish just because they've been around for a while.

Even if not working together directly, they have similar enough interests that they end up crossing paths anyway.

[Zachia]

You're just trolling now. If you ever need a friend online to enjoy the game or life just hit me up. Seeing how we have the same join date but our post count is heavily different i say you spend a lot more time here seeking attention and since you can't really get attention on the forums without disagreeing with people to spark a debate and numbers don't lie, you are trolling people for said attention. I got some good friends and we can do stuff together, maybe this way you can talk to other people who play the game and see that a lot of what people saying on these forums who "speak for x" are more likely to be true than what you currently believe.

[Stormpeaks]

You're just trolling now. If you ever need a friend online to enjoy the game or life just hit me up. Seeing how we have the same join date but our post count is heavily different i say you spend a lot more time here seeking attention and since you can't really get attention on the forums without disagreeing with people to spark a debate and numbers don't lie, you are trolling people for said attention. I got some good friends and we can do stuff together, maybe this way you can talk to other people who play the game and see that a lot of what people saying on these forums who "speak for x" are more likely to be true than what you currently believe.

Did you really hit me with the "I got more friends than you" ?

Bro lmao please stop embarrassing yourself

[kpxmanifesto]

You're just trolling now. If you ever need a friend online to enjoy the game or life just hit me up. Seeing how we have the same join date but our post count is heavily different i say you spend a lot more time here seeking attention and since you can't really get attention on the forums without disagreeing with people to spark a debate and numbers don't lie, you are trolling people for said attention. I got some good friends and we can do stuff together, maybe this way you can talk to other people who play the game and see that a lot of what people saying on these forums who "speak for x" are more likely to be true than what you currently believe.

Jesus... Stormpeaks must've really struck a nerve in you.