Can 7.0 focus on a storyline without the philosophizing

[PEANUT]

Physical appearance, social behaviour and psychology should not be immediately guessed by one of them. Easy. For one they could give them goals, desires, motivation. Maybe even fears! Even disagreement among them. One can dream.

Tell that to dead Garleans or better yet: to everyone dead because we just had to decide that we keep this timeline intact despite all the horrible events of the past.

We are now basically a shadow government. Getting favours from everywhere. No democracy. Just us asking for something and getting it. The ultimate fantasy for entitled people.

But they have all those things, goals, desires, fears, motivation, physical appearance, social behavior and psychology. None of them lack any of that, look at Urianger, the way he pours and ponders over the risks, multiple outcomes and ethics of everything they do. Look at Thancred who grew up on the streets and still struggles with fears of returning back to that kind of life and the guilt of not being able to protect someone who was apart of him coming out of that. All of these characters have been around for so long I think it's easy for people to forget their complexities because there is constant threat and crises occurring pushing them to take action, it doesn't mean they are bad or lacking "3 dimension"...

[PEANUT]

Argumentum ad populum or whatever. Just because a lot of people like something or buy something, doesn't mean it's good. Just because a lot of people view a character certain way, doesn't mean that's who the character is, etc.

After all, there's billions of people who are under educated, and are dumb. Should they go on being that way, just because it serves business interests?

Also fwiw, Y'shtola is a bitchy sassy catgirl, who has totally been an asshole to NPCs outside of the Scions, like that time she gave Merlwyb a verbal beatdown over how Merlwyb runs Limsa Lominsa, in spite of having had 0 leadership responsibilities ever in her life, let alone national level leadership.

It also doesn't mean it's not good if a lot of people like it either with that same logic. Are you saying that the writers for CBU3 are "uneducated" or "dumb"? Again, it's a matter of opinion, regardless if you like the characters/plotlines/etc. doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are supporting the game because obviously there's a lot about it they like or they wouldn't be paying subscription fees. Snotty posts are not gonna change that...

[BRVV]

But they have all those things, goals, desires, fears, motivation, physical appearance, social behavior and psychology. None of them lack any of that, look at Urianger, the way he pours and ponders over the risks, multiple outcomes and ethics of everything they do. Look at Thancred who grew up on the streets and still struggles with fears of returning back to that kind of life and the guilt of not being able to protect someone who was apart of him coming out of that. All of these characters have been around for so long I think it's easy for people to forget their complexities because there is constant threat and crises occurring pushing them to take action, it doesn't mean they are bad or lacking "3 dimension"...

How has Thancreds street days affected him in EW? Not at all. They are all the "world saviours".

What goals do they have? Saving the world? Maybe visiting the first?

[TheDecay]

But they have all those things, goals, desires, fears, motivation, physical appearance, social behavior and psychology. None of them lack any of that, look at Urianger, the way he pours and ponders over the risks, multiple outcomes and ethics of everything they do. Look at Thancred who grew up on the streets and still struggles with fears of returning back to that kind of life and the guilt of not being able to protect someone who was apart of him coming out of that. All of these characters have been around for so long I think it's easy for people to forget their complexities because there is constant threat and crises occurring pushing them to take action, it doesn't mean they are bad or lacking "3 dimension"...

And exactly when has the story mentioned it since SB, beyond a quick quip at the start of EW? For all intents and purposes, he has moved on and no longer struggles. Some of you seem more traumatized by their trauma than the characters themselves.

[TheMightyMollusk]

And then it just resolved itself, through Thancred's own self-realisations while looking for rocks,

While also dealing with a guy who lost himself to depression and alcoholism over the inability to save his loved ones, showing a mirror of Thancred's own issues and how badly he could turn out if he keeps going down his path. But "looking for rocks" is easier, I guess.

[VelKallor]

Just because a lot of people like something or buy something, doesn't mean it's good.

YES, it does. It means exactly that.

Mate, you SERIOUSLY need a lesson in economics and business.

Newsflash: if a company is marketing a product that sells well with a HUGE retained playerbase, thats a key indicator they are getting it RIGHT. Thats what repeat business means, its goodwill, its repeat traffic, its a gauranteed revenue stream..that what goodwill IS.

Goodwill is the meat and potatoes of any business anywhere. If you ever do go into business and want to buy a company, the VERY FIRST thing you do is make sure they are EBITDA positive, with a steady and reliable income stream. Why would you buy a business that isnt a going concern?

Thats like saying that a lot of people like vanilla ice cream but that doesnt make it good, its a ridiculous assertion, and also by that little meme you are also telling all these people who do love the game that you know whats better for them than THEY do???

Mate, get real, when we screaming hordes at each of the fanfests,. the roars of the crows, the thousands who will have travelled a great distance to attend one of these events, are you going to sit there and say " They dont know what they are spending their money on and shouldnt because I say so?"

like that time she gave Merlwyb a verbal beatdown over how Merlwyb runs Limsa Lominsa, in spite of having had 0 leadership responsibilities ever in her life, let alone national level leadership.

Lets just ignore the fact she was dead right, and that the Admiral deserved every word, shall we? She did deliver a verbal beatdown, every word was true.

Ill boil it down:

Theres the millions who dont post here, they are busy and happy ingame, we will see them at each of the SOLD OUT fanfests and other events..and then theres this tiny minority of malcontents here on the forums.

Who do YOU think best represents the going sentiment on the massive success of FF 14?

[BRVV]

YES, it does. It means exactly that.

Financial success <> quality

Maybe you will learn that one day


Economics isn't my god, that's probably the difference between you and me

[VelKallor]

Financial success <> quality

By whose definitions and parameter do you define "quality". But lets go back a moment, and look at this forum, and then all the reviews and gameplays and streams that have lauded the game, and the MSQ in great detail. THEY seem to have enjoyed it immensely.

So who defines what "quality" is?

You?

Titanmen?

Your opinion =/= fact or an objective assessment.

Economics isn't my god, that's probably the difference between you and me

Economics is what keeps the lights on, the people employed, the bills and salaries paid, the game still running.

Fact.

[BRVV]

By whose definitions and parameter do you define "quality". But lets go back a moment, and look at this forum, and then all the reviews and gameplays and streams that have lauded the game, and the MSQ in great detail. THEY seem to have enjoyed it immensely.

So who defines what "quality" is?

You?

Titanmen?

Your opinion =/= fact or an objective assessment.

A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKED IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


There are also objective standards, in storytelling for example. When i would bring up cliches or tropes i would get harrassed here from people like you anyway. Read anything about writing a story.

They seem to have enjoyed it? How would you know? All those people that copied Zeplas and other streamer's opinion and forgot about FFXIV 2 weeks after EW release?

Even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_(business) doesn't mention the money = quality XD
Even tho it's the "business" variant of the term XD

If i kill all unemployed i am good because i increase the money of the state, right?

Your opinion =/= fact or an objective assessment.

Remember that when you try to invalidate someones opinion again

[VentVanitas]

forum challenge: take a shot every time someone vaguely mentions a silent majority (bonus shot if they change the number every time) or minority in their post

you will not survive.