Manderville Relic Criticism

[Remember_The_Name]

This idea that getting a weapon in an MMO should necessarily be subject to an unhealthy grind for people who are on welfare or living in their parents’ basement and/or addicted to gaming is ridiculous. There’s no accomplishment with long grinds other than showing that you have way too much time on your hands and not many interests and/or responsibilities in RL.

You understand that this argument makes no sense? It can be wrapped and twisted to absolute silly extremes. Let me show you:
"I have a family, two jobs and a house to manage. That's why I am entitled for all ultimate titles and weapons to be handed to me next morning after their release. Everyone else that wanted them locked behind a challenging fight are just sad no lifers. I want to see them in my mail box tomorrow, thanks SE, luv you <3"

If you have a busy life and responsibilites, just don't participate in long and difficult undertakings that will interfere with your schedule. It is that easy. Good thing that FF14 does not require you to grind anything to enjoy the best parts of the game.

The gamer base has aged, many have jobs, families, responsibilities and can’t carelessly and stupidly spend all their free time grinding a weapon that will soon become obsolete. The new system is fine. Those that want to invent themselves an ARR type of grind can do so. I like that I can finally get a decent weapon for different jobs. Don’t care about what others think of what my chars wear, I play for myself, not for strangers.

Except that you can get a decent weapon for different jobs, if you were playing the game normally before. Literally 5 item levels lower weapon are available at the Market Board for a fair price. If you are a casual player, the small difference means almost nothing in the type of content you will be playing.

And I love how all of you wants to drag the conversation down to "ARR type of grind"? As if everyone here wants that. No, just make relic weapon require at least something interesting beside being a fancy tomestone weapon, ffs.

I already mentioned how tying the progression to V&C dungeons, Island Sanctuary, specific type of duties that changes with relic development could've benefit the life cycle of the game.

Don’t care about what others think of what my chars wear, I play for myself, not for strangers.

With that attitude, why do you even bothered with relics so much? Run around with MB or tomestone weapon, nobody will care, really.

[Gullis]

I don't get the idea that everyone needs to get a relic. If you think the grind is too bad, then simply don't get it? Not like you need it.

When everyone is running around with relics, they don't really feel like relics

[Saraide]

I don't get the idea that everyone needs to get a relic. If you think the grind is too bad, then simply don't get it? Not like you need it.

When everyone is running around with relics, they don't really feel like relics

So you hate how the relics look and only get them because of how exclusive you think they should feel?

[Reinha]

So you hate how the relics look and only get them because of how exclusive you think they should feel?

Their charm was not that they were exclusive, it was that they were earned. Tome weapon #2 carries none of that appeal. It's redundant because we already have tome weapons.

[Saraide]

Their charm was not that they were exclusive, it was that they were earned. Tome weapon #2 carries none of that appeal. It's redundant because we already have tome weapons.

But you do hate how they look?

[Jojoya]

Except that you can get a decent weapon for different jobs,

Most players don't do the relics because they want to get a decent weapon.

They do them because they want a very shiny weapon for glamour. The very shiny weapons come from the relic series and Ultimates. With Ultimates out of reach for most, that leaves the relics that can be done by any player - and which many of them have been doing all along.

I don't get the idea that everyone needs to get a relic. If you think the grind is too bad, then simply don't get it? Not like you need it.

When everyone is running around with relics, they don't really feel like relics

They never were relics. Relics don't get crafted in front of your eyes. They get dug up from old ruins.

You were doing something that any player could do if they chose to. Some players would get them faster than others based on skill but they were still accessible to everyone.

If someone didn't get a relic, it's not because you were better than them. It's because they either didn't care about the relics or because they had better uses for their time than grinding out a very shiny weapon in an online game that would be replaced in the next content update.

It's not what you have that makes you special. It's what you do with your life that does.

[vetch]

a bunch of ignorant crap with stereotypes mixed in

People who think a relic weapon is just 'a weapon' instead of a distinct and storied MMO concept with an established theme and vocabulary, to be enjoyed by the MMO players who actually enjoy that content, should not speak on the topic of relic weapons. If you just want to turn in tomestones for a powerful weapon, go to the tomestone weapon vendor.

All videogame content is optional, because it's a hobby. Trying to subdivide hobby content into 'stuff for nice normal people with families' and 'stuff that only loser degens care about' (while simultaneously worrying about weapon BiS, lmao) just marks you as someone with no grip on reality.

[Jojoya]

People who think a relic weapon is just 'a weapon' instead of a distinct and storied MMO concept with an established theme and vocabulary, to be enjoyed by the MMO players who actually enjoy that content, should not speak on the topic of relic weapons. If you just want to turn in tomestones for a powerful weapon, go to the tomestone weapon vendor.

All videogame content is optional, because it's a hobby. Trying to subdivide hobby content into 'stuff for nice normal people with families' and 'stuff that only loser degens care about' (while simultaneously worrying about weapon BiS, lmao) just marks you as someone with no grip on reality.

I'm sorry. You don't get to decide who can express an opinion about them. You're welcome to disagree but you do not have the right to tell them they cannot speak.

I'm afraid the one lacking a grip on reality is you if you're getting that upset over someone sharing their opinion.

[Gullis]

So you hate how the relics look and only get them because of how exclusive you think they should feel?

I get them mainly for looks, but also because it's something work towards, a goal. I don't really like the look of any of the new relics so far, but they are a free ilvl uppgrades so might aswell pick them up, as they are free. My issue is it just doesn't feel like i'm really working towards anything, feels more like I just get relics for just logging in
I just don't see why having some optional long term goals is a bad thing, do people really hate actually playing this game so much? EW offers no long term goals for casual players, that likes combat oriented content. I just want something that lasts for more than 2-3 days.

[Saraide]

I get them mainly for looks, but also because it's something work towards, a goal. I don't really like the look of any of the new relics so far, but they are a free ilvl uppgrades so might aswell pick them up, as they are free. My issue is it just doesn't feel like i'm really working towards anything, feels more like I just get relics for just logging in
I just don't see why having some optional long term goals is a bad thing, do people really hate actually playing this game so much? EW offers no long term goals for casual players, that likes combat oriented content. I just want something that lasts for more than 2-3 days.

If you really wanna just play casual combat content literally nothing is stopping you from doing that. Hell, I can come up with a set of goals for you if you dont want to decide yourself.