What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[kpxmanifesto]

If people reach a certain threshold of agreeing with one of us, they get inducted into the Zodiark Trancer cult lmao

To this day I still have no idea what a Zodiark trancer is.


Edit:

Enjoyed the story up until we get to Elpis then it just falls apart for me. Knowing everything happened because of some depressed ancient and his cringe creation ruined the story for me honestly.

Same. I was really hoping it would be a hostile civilization from a different planet, but I guess that would've taken too much effort to write about.

[VelKallor]

To this day I still have no idea what a Zodiark trancer is.

Doesnt exist. Just another smear to try and discredit others viewpoints.

Knowing everything happened because of some depressed ancient and his cringe creation

entelechy, (from Greek entelecheia), in philosophy, that which realizes or makes actual what is otherwise merely potential.

In this context, Meteion was the gestalt if you like of a mentality, not one mind but thousands, overwhelmed by what they found. Hermes "question" was in itself the mistake, what you have missed is that Meteion was a massive empath, the feelings of thousands of dead worlds concatenated into who she was on Elpis, creating a "realm" that was based on emotion, not reality, the opposite of aether.

He also programmed "our" Meteion with a personality override. Literally nothing she does after she was overpowered by the collective was of her own volition, all the way up to when she manages to separate herself. She was essentially being puppeted by her sisters. She was being controlled by a hivemind that had gone insane and forced itself into her, and she had no way to disconnect herself. None of it was her fault

BlueRogue: two of my family visited a place that shall not be named here, neither of them would ever speak of what they saw or heard, I did ask, but one look into their eyes was enough to tell me I should never have asked. Now take that a step further, add in thousands of minds that are active and powerful empaths, a group mind..go back to the Dead Ends, find the logs that tell of her coming to a world and its destruction because of her.

Further, Meteion herself did not end these civilizations. Her sisters did, or did you forget that Hermes made many more like her and sent them out into the universe to ask other civilizations what they live for? Meteion is a victim here, not ONLY by Hermes' mistakes in his flawed query, but also due to Hermes making Meteion and her sisters a part of a hive mind, meaning Meteion's will is being over powered by her sisters until you are able to weaken them and somewhat free her from their power. Meteion herself is not the issue. Her sisters and Hermes' mistakes are.

An empath in this sense is a being that feels emotions not as we do, but experiences it the way you feel a punch in the gut.

[BRVV]

Doesnt exist. Just another smear to try and discredit others viewpoints.



entelechy, (from Greek entelecheia), in philosophy, that which realizes or makes actual what is otherwise merely potential.

In this context, Meteion was the gestalt if you like of a mentality, not one mind but thousands, overwhelmed by what they found. Hermes "question" was in itself the mistake, what you have missed is that Meteion was a massive empath, the feelings of thousands of dead worlds concatenated into who she was on Elpis, creating a "realm" that was based on emotion, not reality, the opposite of aether.



BlueRogue: two of my family visited a place that shall not be named here, neither of them would ever speak of what they saw or heard, I did ask, but one look into their eyes was enough to tell me I should never have asked. Now take that a step further, add in thousands of minds that are active and powerful empaths, a group mind..go back to the Dead Ends, find the logs that tell of her coming to a world and its destruction because of her.



An empath in this sense is a being that feels emotions not as we do, but experiences it the way you feel a punch in the gut.

I dont think anyone missed the empath or dynamis part. Many just dislike its i am 14 and this is deep cringe level

[AwesomeJr44]

I dont think anyone missed the empath or dynamis part. Many just dislike its i am 14 and this is deep cringe level

Dynamis as it is written in the story is so mind-numbingly dumb. Whenever its used to do something, it reminds me of that one kid at the playground who would always invent new superpowers that instantly counter anything you do, just so that he can always win.

Then again, this forum is virtually all negative, anyone who argues is a 'defender" a "shill"....so please, spare me.

Anyone who is a defender, shill, white knight, or liar is called as such because they have earned the titles for themselves. I have no problem with people who have a positive outlook on the game. I have several friends who have such viewpoints, and their opinion on the game does not impact my desire to be their friend unless they are annoying about it (aka toxic positivity, white knighting, etc). I do have a problem with white knights and liars though. You are just upset that we recognize you for what you are.

[AwesomeJr44]

To this day I still have no idea what a Zodiark trancer is.

The term itself comes from a webcomic where the WoL fights Hydaelyn and uses 'Zodiark Trance'. The art was very good, but people on Reddit started making memes about the comic and eventually the term Zodiark Trancer was born. It's meant to be an insult used against people who like the Ascians/Ancients more than the Scions and/or dislike the current direction of the story. I don't think people actually take the term seriously though. I've referred to myself as one several times, playing into the joke.

Doesnt exist. Just another smear to try and discredit others viewpoints.

It's definitely a term that exists. It's not used in a serious manner very much on the forums themselves, but I've heard that it gets more unironic usage on sites like 4Chan.

[kpxmanifesto]

The term itself comes from a webcomic where the WoL fights Hydaelyn and uses 'Zodiark Trance'. The art was very good, but people on Reddit started making memes about the comic and eventually the term Zodiark Trancer was born. It's meant to be an insult used against people who like the Ascians/Ancients more than the Scions and/or dislike the current direction of the story. I don't think people actually take the term seriously though. I've referred to myself as one several times, playing into the joke.

Lol, I see. Call me a Zodiark Trancer too, I suppose.

[Theodric]

Dynamis as it is written in the story is so mind-numbingly dumb. Whenever its used to do something, it reminds me of that one kid at the playground who would always invent new superpowers that instantly counter anything you do, just so that he can always win.

That's an excellent representation of it all. The game seems to do it with greater frequency these days and even FFXVI wasn't free of it though that game did at least show more willingness to inflict lasting harm upon the main cast.

Lol, I see. Call me a Zodiark Trancer too, I suppose.

Welcome aboard!

[kpxmanifesto]

Welcome aboard!

I dunno if I am a Zodiark Trancer, there are some things I still like in XIV (Even though it doesn't look like it) but there are lots of things I think that needs to be dealt with but all the XIV lovers loves to disregard them.

I am just a negative nancy I guess

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. There are still plenty of things that I like about the game, otherwise I wouldn't be playing it. Most of the dissatisfaction I have with the game comes from the story, which is what the name Zodiark Trancer seems to be referring to.

[Lauront]

Also just dropping this here, the product of a joint project of some of those of us critical of the story (or to some, 'Zodiark trancers'):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c98qO-wW30A

The remaining parts will be released gradually over the coming couple of weeks, so I'd recommend subscribing to the channel if these catch your fancy.

As ever, a link to the discord for those who'd like to catch up outside the thread remains active here.

[Theodric]

Also just dropping this here, the product of a joint project of some of those of us critical of the story (or to some, 'Zodiark trancers'):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c98qO-wW30A

The remaining parts will be released gradually over the coming couple of weeks, so I'd recommend subscribing to the channel if these catch your fancy.

As ever, a link to the discord for those who'd like to catch up outside the thread remains active here.

To follow up on this, for those curious there's also a couple of older videos to be found within the channel itself, one focused on Zenos and another focused on Hermes.