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    From all your posts, it's becoming clear to me that you really haven't played much Final Fantasy at all.

    From your strange fixation on a non existent rule of having every primal ever in every game, to you seemingly being surprised at the themes that actually have been in most FF games, I don't think you really know what you're talking about.

    From the grim story the characters face in II and Cecil's conflicts in IV, to the bounce back from VI's heroes and the fact that VII was made as a way to deal with death and loss, and from X's quest leading to death and XIII's characters dealing with the concept of their mortality through a forced focus, and basically every other plot in the series I didn't just paraphrased, Final Fantasy has always been about comradery, overcoming impossible odds through it, the meaning of living and the conflicts that come with it.

    These themes were just picked up by CBUIII, and regardless of how well they've been executed each time, they've been at the core of Final Fantasy story telling for over 35 years.
    Ishikawa wrote Shadowbringers and Endwalker. FFXVI was written by Kazutoyo Maehiro. XIV was directed by Yoshida, but XVI was directed by Hiroshi Takai abd Maehiro himself. The creative heads are different for each game. The themes remain as they did in the times of Hironobu Sakaguchi, Yoshinori Kitase, Kazushige Nojima and Testsuya Nomura, just to name a few.

    This means that only one of the following three options justifies this kind of a post:
    1.- You haven't ever really played this series at all and are just realizing these are common themes in it.
    2.- You did play a few games, but the core themes just flew over your head because of lack of attention or capacity to understand them.
    3.- You have played FF and know these themes are in the series, and thus you're making this post conciously in bad faith to pick a bone with CBUIII for some reason.

    I don't know which one of the three is worse, but none of the posts you've ever made has made much sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    From all your posts, it's becoming clear to me that you really haven't played much Final Fantasy at all.

    From your strange fixation on a non existent rule of having every primal ever in every game, to you seemingly being surprised at the themes that actually have been in most FF games, I don't think you really know what you're talking about.

    From the grim story the characters face in II and Cecil's conflicts in IV, to the bounce back from VI's heroes and the fact that VII was made as a way to deal with death and loss, and from X's quest leading to death and XIII's characters dealing with the concept of their mortality through a forced focus, and basically every other plot in the series I didn't just paraphrased, Final Fantasy has always been about comradery, overcoming impossible odds through it, the meaning of living and the conflicts that come with it.

    These themes were just picked up by CBUIII, and regardless of how well they've been executed each time, they've been at the core of Final Fantasy story telling for over 35 years.
    Ishikawa wrote Shadowbringers and Endwalker. FFXVI was written by Kazutoyo Maehiro. XIV was directed by Yoshida, but XVI was directed by Hiroshi Takai abd Maehiro himself. The creative heads are different for each game. The themes remain as they did in the times of Hironobu Sakaguchi, Yoshinori Kitase, Kazushige Nojima and Testsuya Nomura, just to name a few.

    This means that only one of the following three options justifies this kind of a post:
    1.- You haven't ever really played this series at all and are just realizing these are common themes in it.
    2.- You did play a few games, but the core themes just flew over your head because of lack of attention or capacity to understand them.
    3.- You have played FF and know these themes are in the series, and thus you're making this post conciously in bad faith to pick a bone with CBUIII for some reason.

    I don't know which one of the three is worse, but none of the posts you've ever made has made much sense.
    The themes in themselves are fine, but it is the constant repetition and unbelievable depiction of humans wrestling with that philosophy that is the problem. Again, doing it once or twice is fine, like in a single-player RPG. However, doing it again and again with no grace is the problem.

    As with your snide remark on Leviathan, your dissent has already been addressed in that thread, before you even posted there. Leviathan is in the lore of FF16. The lack of appearance means that there is material for them to use for a DLC. Your dissent only makes sense if Leviathan is not in the lore at all in the first place.
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    Dealing with bad-faith forum posters who tell you to quit or say your concern is in the minority:
    1. Do not engage in their bad-faith attacks.
    2. Warn others of their bad-faith if they have a long history of it.
    3. Continue the productive conversation and silently report them for personal attacks.
    Be firm but polite, recognize their tactics and don't fall into their traps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDecay View Post
    The themes in themselves are fine, but it is the constant repetition and unbelievable depiction of humans wrestling with that philosophy that is the problem. Again, doing it once or twice is fine, like in a single-player RPG. However, doing it again and again with no grace is the problem
    Good, then say so in your OG post, instead of framing like you had a problem with the themes that define the series. You're almost presenting it as if the same people wrote/direct XIV and XVI's plots and they didn't. The only things XIV and XVI share in key positions are Producer and Main Composer.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDecay View Post
    Can 7.0 focus on a storyline without the philosophizing
    Is a terrible way to frame the thread if your issue is with two or three writers that you didn't enjoy in XIV/XVI rather than with the themes themselves, and you did a rather poor job at explaining yourself in the main body of your post.

    7.0 may be written by someone else entirely, and unless it's a name we've seen in XIV or XVI, your argument falls flat. If it's a new person writing, let them have their own go at the themes. If it's a name you don't like, then by all means go at it. If you truly believe in it, you can frame your argument way better.

    As for the DLC thread, you didn't answer to me, so if you want me to take you seriously, then make the answer yourself like you did here.
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