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    Player Hurlstone's Avatar
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    Valamist Hurlstone
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    Hmm... na, I am OK with philosophising and exploring interesting themes. Does the game always get it right? No, it does not always hit the mark (And please can we not have any more fake-out deaths? I do not want anyone to die, but that just silly haha) but name any piece of storytelling that is perfect. I for one really enjoyed Endwalker and what it explored, plus I would rather that they try to do something and fail, rather then just force itself to be a soulless adventure. Final Fantasy, heck fantasy fiction in general, has always been good at doing this. Exploring themes in ways that can only be done in these types of settings and worlds. I think its a shame how people almost think such stories are ‘childish’ nowadays. Honestly, in this crap sack of a Capitalist hate-filled world, we need all the messages of hope that we can get!

    If people feel different then fair enough, and I hope they enjoy future content more. To me, one of the beautiful things about fiction is just how subjective it is. I for one am just over half way through FFXVI but am really enjoy the story. The writing of certain characters could be better, but overall I am very happy, especially with character likes Clive and Cid.
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    Renalt El'doran
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    OP is a known Negative Nancy. Unless you hate the game like they do...don't expect a meaningful discussion. They want an echo chamber and that is all.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

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    The story is great but your opinion isn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagacious View Post
    The story is great but your opinion isn't
    Translation: "Don't insult my favorite game!!! REEEEEE!!!"


    Gonna be real tough if they go for a story about the US and it's beginnings and try to have us be the unsung good guys. Unless we are the sailors at first and then join the Wala... somethings like in Pocahontas / Avatar.
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    Will put you on ignore if you can't form a logical argument but argue nonetheless

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    Don't quit your day job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagacious View Post
    The story is great but your opinion isn't
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    While we're at it, we're a touch hyper-intelligent wizard heavy. I love me a good wizard paired with some theorizing, but the main cast of characters are all Sharlayan PhDs hosting grad student exposition dumps every other quest and I'm kiiiiinda sick of it.

    More to the topic, I don't mind philosophy so long as it's grounded and has stakes. I didn't dislike Endwalker's story like several people in General do, but the flattest parts for me were where it showed off its lack of stakes. Y'shtola is nearly becoming genre savvy self-aware of her invincibility and is using it to her advantage. For all of the talk about death and sacrifice, we've had to give nothing up for a really long time.
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    Last edited by Semirhage; 07-08-2023 at 01:39 AM.

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    I think the reason for it is because this is what Final Fantasy games often try to do. Through their adventure they enter doubts and depressions and question the meaning of life and what they are fighting for, and Yoshi-P wanted to take that from the Final Fantasy games and do it in all this game's expansions as well.

    Apparently EW resonated a lot with people suffering from depression who had not benefitted from any other sort of therapies, so it was a good thing for that reason alone.

    The expansions can do this sort of thing whilst still having proper character development because it happened in some of the old final fantasy games. If they tackle depression, they can just do it in a way where the depression affects a particular character such as Thancred and watching him go through this whole period of depression and then come out of it and overcome the last boss with you.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    I think the reason for it is because this is what Final Fantasy games often try to do. Through their adventure they enter doubts and depressions and question the meaning of life and what they are fighting for, and Yoshi-P wanted to take that from the Final Fantasy games and do it in all this game's expansions as well.

    Apparently EW resonated a lot with people suffering from depression who had not benefitted from any other sort of therapies, so it was a good thing for that reason alone.

    The expansions can do this sort of thing whilst still having proper character development because it happened in some of the old final fantasy games. If they tackle depression, they can just do it in a way where the depression affects a particular character such as Thancred and watching him go through this whole period of depression and then come out of it and overcome the last boss with you.
    That is also a big problem. None of the main cast is suffering which makes the whole ordeal feel quite unrelated to us.
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    1. Do not engage in their bad-faith attacks.
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    Be firm but polite, recognize their tactics and don't fall into their traps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Apparently EW resonated a lot with people suffering from depression who had not benefitted from any other sort of therapies, so it was a good thing for that reason alone.
    While I have heard that some people benefited from EW, and for them I am truly glad it helped! For others with depression EW made it far, FAR worse.

    Like many people I was going though a very hard time at that point. My depression was lifting a bit but EWs themes were dangerous to me and caused me to spiral further down that I've ever been.

    Why?

    Being told that those without a strong support system and/or not sufficiently mentally strong were monsters doomed to harm others (sundered turning to blasphemies if not able to 'think positive enough'). Or in the case of the ancients, being biologically different than what was 'required' and therefore deserving of being destroyed for the betterment of others (thanks Venat!)... not a great message.

    Add to it the depressing messages looped for hours throughout Ultima Thule broken only by trite speeches from the scions... yeah, it was FAR from the uplifting experience it perhaps was for others.

    For me EW's message of 'hope' not only fell flat but was flat out dangerous when viewed from the deepest hole of depression. I'm also not the only one who felt that way about it.
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