Bring back Kaiten please

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

At least with Kaiten and their Hissatsus larger kenki cost back in ShB, I felt I had to be mindful with my Shintens to have enough to dump Senei & 2 Kaitens at the looping reopeners. EW launch reduced the cost but it still had Kaiten so hey uh, I still had to be mindful, just slightly less. Nowaday it's just Shinone Shintwo Shinthree Shinfour Shinfive Shinsix Shinseven Shineight Shinnine Shinten lmfao. Ikishoten guarantees you'll able to pump off Senei it takes another level of unawareness to not have it ready.

Their reasoning behind its removal imho doesn't makes any sense at all. If they want to reduce the bloat then why Shoha II exist; why can't Ikishoten be merged with Ougi Namikiri; why can't Senei & Guren combined into full damage at first target with AoE damage fall off?

... Yeah, no. I've dropped SAM even though I've been only a casual enjoyer of the job from beginning---it was fun to play it until they take that element away.

Maybe next thing they'll do is to remove the gauge and give Shinten its own short cooldown with charges lmao. "Let the game play it for you" as some people says.

[Zebraoracle]

At least with Kaiten and their Hissatsus larger kenki cost back in ShB, I felt I had to be mindful with my Shintens to have enough to dump Senei & 2 Kaitens at the looping reopeners. EW launch reduced the cost but it still had Kaiten so hey uh, I still had to be mindful, just slightly less. Nowaday it's just Shinone Shintwo Shinthree Shinfour Shinfive Shinsix Shinseven Shineight Shinnine Shinten lmfao. Ikishoten guarantees you'll able to pump off Senei it takes another level of unawareness to not have it ready.

Their reasoning behind its removal imho doesn't makes any sense at all. If they want to reduce the bloat then why Shoha II exist; why can't Ikishoten be merged with Ougi Namikiri; why can't Senei & Guren combined into full damage at first target with AoE damage fall off?

... Yeah, no. I've dropped SAM even though I've been only a casual enjoyer of the job from beginning---it was fun to play it until they take that element away.

If they want to remove button bloat, why do Cure 1, Benefic, and Physick not become their upgrades? Why do healers have so many tools they barely have to make use of? Why does SMN Physick not scale properly/not become a Phoenix spell/even exist? Why does Scathe exist?

[Aravell]

Their reasoning behind its removal imho doesn't makes any sense at all. If they want to reduce the bloat then why Shoha II exist; why can't Ikishoten be merged with Ougi Namikiri; why can't Senei & Guren combined into full damage at first target with AoE damage fall off?

They actually said they wanted to remove the bloat of actions to be used within burst iirc, not button bloat. Which they also completely failed to do, because every Kaiten is now replaced with a Shinten, leading to almost the same number of buttons being used in burst. In the end, the Kaiten removal was pointless.

[Deo14]

They actually said they wanted to remove the bloat of actions to be used within burst iirc, not button bloat. Which they also completely failed to do, because every Kaiten is now replaced with a Shinten, leading to almost the same number of buttons being used in burst. In the end, the Kaiten removal was pointless.

Not even almost, it's exactly identical: