Genuine Question Here

[MaxCarnage]

If you believe this to be true as I said to Decay, why comment? Just to leave an insult to feel better? You're only contributing to the very problem im mentioning. There is no pot stirring so long as people stay civil which they have so far. So I'll ask you as well to take that elsewhere.

In order for there to have been civility, the original post would have to be civil as well, instead of being a question in regards to a preconceived notion you already had; that being that the people who feel "silenced" are the only ones who may feel a certain way about the forums being better without their opposition there.

The question was disingenuous. It wasn't a "do you feel like the forums would be better if either side were more open-minded to opposing ideas?" (which yes, it would be.) It was a "do the complainers feel the forums would be better if the defenders left", which is bias and ill-spirited.

As for why people comment? Because they have something to say. This is a forum. You can't gatekeep the reactions people have to what you say.

I think everyone can agree people need to be less blind to differing opinions in order for there to be any meaningful discussion. And until that happens, every discussion will turn into a pissing contest. Including this one.

Weren't you ever told as a child not to touch the stove while it's hot?

[IkaraGreydancer]

In order for there to have been civility, the original post would have to be civil as well, instead of being a question in regards to a preconceived notion you already had; that being that the people who feel "silenced" are the only ones who may feel a certain way about the forums being better without their opposition there.

The question was disingenuous. It wasn't a "do you feel like the forums would be better if either side were more open-minded to opposing ideas?" (which yes, it would be.) It was a "do the complainers feel the forums would be better if the defenders left", which is bias and ill-spirited.

As for why people comment? Because they have something to say. This is a forum. You can't gatekeep the reactions people have to what you say.

I think everyone can agree people need to be less blind to differing opinions in order for there to be any meaningful discussion. And until that happens, every discussion will turn into a pissing contest. Including this one.

Weren't you ever told as a child not to touch the stove while it's hot?

It's not a disingenuous question. From my perspective people with criticism don't like when folks like me speak up n offer our points. It doesn't seem to matter how we do it, just that it happens. I didn't make a statement to whether these people are right or wrong. I simply genuinely wonder if these people would rather have defenders not speak so their criticism had no pushback as again, to me that's how it seems. If it's disingenuous to speak from the perspective that folks call me all sorts of things n that's something I personally see far more from one side then idk what to tell you other than, no it isn't.

I've even expressed that both side do have issues and that things would be better if either was more opened minded but I'm not going to pretend I haven't been a prime target. Bias is going to be a part of it just like bias is a part of what you just said here. Next gatekeep reactions? Did I say folks can't comment? Is asking why someone comments on what they supposedly think is a troll thread gatekeeping now? If I am truly some troll you're wasting your time.

I said it already, I have respect those I've but heads with in the past who still take the thread seriously. That's what we need more of. Civil exchange of ideas devoid of character assassinations.

[Kes13a]

I said it already, I have respect those I've but heads with in the past who still take the thread seriously. That's what we need more of. Civil exchange of ideas devoid of character assassinations.

civil discussion, respect for others and an internet forum has never been a thing even in the dawn of the internet era.

once you allow anonymity, civil and respect fly out the window because there is generally zero personal consequence. I am certain that if you met most people on the forums on the street they would be just regular people for the most part. put them behind a computer screen and most however, let out their personal Mr/Mrs Hyde