Genuine Question Here

[IkaraGreydancer]

Stay around long enough and I'm sure even you will remember a name or two. People here have either been here for years or have had pointless "discussion" about something and when you see the same poster names pop up over and over again it becomes easy to recognize names.

As to the OP I would loathe it if the general discussion section just became a negative echo chamber. I'd also would loathe it if it became the opposite. As I said in another thread at least a month ago the few things I tend to have problems with are either so niche or don't affect my enjoyment of the game to the point I feel the need to make a thread complaining about it. Though there have been times when I have made complaints people either A) have not taken me seriously or B ) they feel that my complaint would only dig into their playing of the marketboard. Or some other thing.

I do however feel the subsections at least the one I post a lot in and the few I occasionally lurk in aren't as bad as it is here. It would be nice if more people's opening responses weren't loaded the way many here tend to be. Or that their first response to some one else's reply wasn't loaded with such aggressiveness. It's not fun that both extremes have made it uncomfortable for those in the middle or who try to have an honest debate about various topics to even want to bring them up.

We probably wouldn't have so many threads commenting on the moderation, the perceived lack of it or the confusion about why certain posts or threads get delt with while others don't. Part of the problem I think is not enough people report threads that clearly were maid to just stir the pot. Or posts that also probably should be delt with. Then there are the times where it feels as a mass report wave happened out of spite. As I'd like to think that most are above reporting someone's post or thread just because they don't like a person. Yet there have been people who have openly expressed the wish for others to be permanently removed. Even if it's not entirely been stated as such.

I full well expect to be banned if those 26 people who liked the post saying to report me actually does it. All because people dislike me n my view on things. It's a catch 22. You're screwed if you offer counterpoints to criticism, you're also screwed if you open a dialogue to try n understand what exactly the criticism heavy side wants with the forums. There is no winning. Honestly have respect for people such as Theodric who didnt write the thread off as "bait" n still commented on this despite me and him butting heads quite a bit in the past.

I think a healthy dose of both praise and criticism would be best but I just don't think this space is capable of it sadly. It'd take a HUGE attitude shift but that can't even begin to start when folks trying to understand are being written off such as myself.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I full well expect to be banned if those 26 people who liked the post saying to report me actually does it. All because people dislike me n my view on things.

Strange. First post from that person. One class levelled and all 90 crafts. I wonder what this looks like? I actually reported that poster instead.

[Ivtrix]

I reported the second post. OP is fine. Infact they had the balls to ask a question that several of us have been feeling but lacked the confidence to openly ask.

Did this really need a post though? They already deleted the blog post of a thinly veiled threat that people who take forum disputes ingame will be banned (and just to be clear for the dense mfers who think otherwise but dming people ingame over forum disputes is cringe asf)

It’s only a matter of time before this thread goes up in flames too. It’s not contributory to the state of the game it’s purely a meta post.

[SomeGuy22]

You're screwed if you offer counterpoints to criticism, you're also screwed if you open a dialogue to try n understand what exactly the criticism heavy side wants with the forums.

Heavily disagree with you there. The criticism heavy side wants their complaints to be heard, and not dismissed outright. That's it. How many times were people accused of being a troll alt for disliking something? How many times were those complaints answered with "then why are you paying a sub" or "I don't see the issue/it doesn't affect me, so you're wrong"? In the latter, even when those answers aren't posted in bad-faith, they don't contribute anything to the actual topic. Offering counterpoints is fine, but most often than not, it's the way it's offered that ends up building the vitriol in here.

Honestly have respect for people (...) who didnt write the thread off as "bait" n still commented on this

OP I'm gonna be real with you, your post is very easy to read as "Do the negative posters want an echo-chamber". Blowback to that is pretty expected, especially due to the state of the forums

[ZephyrMenodora]

I just come here less and less. Forum is low quality and i blame SE for allowing the boards to be in the state they are.

Half the time being here isn’t worth the time or energy.

But to answer OPs question I’d gather the answer is no. There wouldn’t be anyone to have petty arguments with or insult.

[R041]

Let's feed this troll thread more.

You're great at just being contrarian. This thread is 0 substance and only shows attention seeking behavior. It just tries to start more drama.

On brand.

[MaxCarnage]

If you believe this to be true as I said to Decay, why comment? Just to leave an insult to feel better? You're only contributing to the very problem im mentioning. There is no pot stirring so long as people stay civil which they have so far. So I'll ask you as well to take that elsewhere.

In order for there to have been civility, the original post would have to be civil as well, instead of being a question in regards to a preconceived notion you already had; that being that the people who feel "silenced" are the only ones who may feel a certain way about the forums being better without their opposition there.

The question was disingenuous. It wasn't a "do you feel like the forums would be better if either side were more open-minded to opposing ideas?" (which yes, it would be.) It was a "do the complainers feel the forums would be better if the defenders left", which is bias and ill-spirited.

As for why people comment? Because they have something to say. This is a forum. You can't gatekeep the reactions people have to what you say.

I think everyone can agree people need to be less blind to differing opinions in order for there to be any meaningful discussion. And until that happens, every discussion will turn into a pissing contest. Including this one.

Weren't you ever told as a child not to touch the stove while it's hot?

[IkaraGreydancer]

In order for there to have been civility, the original post would have to be civil as well, instead of being a question in regards to a preconceived notion you already had; that being that the people who feel "silenced" are the only ones who may feel a certain way about the forums being better without their opposition there.

The question was disingenuous. It wasn't a "do you feel like the forums would be better if either side were more open-minded to opposing ideas?" (which yes, it would be.) It was a "do the complainers feel the forums would be better if the defenders left", which is bias and ill-spirited.

As for why people comment? Because they have something to say. This is a forum. You can't gatekeep the reactions people have to what you say.

I think everyone can agree people need to be less blind to differing opinions in order for there to be any meaningful discussion. And until that happens, every discussion will turn into a pissing contest. Including this one.

Weren't you ever told as a child not to touch the stove while it's hot?

It's not a disingenuous question. From my perspective people with criticism don't like when folks like me speak up n offer our points. It doesn't seem to matter how we do it, just that it happens. I didn't make a statement to whether these people are right or wrong. I simply genuinely wonder if these people would rather have defenders not speak so their criticism had no pushback as again, to me that's how it seems. If it's disingenuous to speak from the perspective that folks call me all sorts of things n that's something I personally see far more from one side then idk what to tell you other than, no it isn't.

I've even expressed that both side do have issues and that things would be better if either was more opened minded but I'm not going to pretend I haven't been a prime target. Bias is going to be a part of it just like bias is a part of what you just said here. Next gatekeep reactions? Did I say folks can't comment? Is asking why someone comments on what they supposedly think is a troll thread gatekeeping now? If I am truly some troll you're wasting your time.

I said it already, I have respect those I've but heads with in the past who still take the thread seriously. That's what we need more of. Civil exchange of ideas devoid of character assassinations.

[Kes13a]

I said it already, I have respect those I've but heads with in the past who still take the thread seriously. That's what we need more of. Civil exchange of ideas devoid of character assassinations.

civil discussion, respect for others and an internet forum has never been a thing even in the dawn of the internet era.

once you allow anonymity, civil and respect fly out the window because there is generally zero personal consequence. I am certain that if you met most people on the forums on the street they would be just regular people for the most part. put them behind a computer screen and most however, let out their personal Mr/Mrs Hyde

[redheadturk]

Ok, if you're being genuine, I'll bite. For one, people who have criticisms for the game are not in the majority as yet no matter how loud we may seem. Some of us get aggressive because we have been attacked, shouted down, called fascist, called genocidal, called Trancers, just because we think the Ancients got crapped on by the dev team and Venat got elevated far more than she should have and did not get called on her crap. For two, no, I don't think they should "go away". I just want them to desist in shouting us down and actually understand our point of view and admit hey, there may be a grain of rightness in what we're saying and that we may just have a point.