Genuine Question Here

[Nav_Fae]

You see my post count and join date. Ive posted 1063 times more than you yet...im the troll alt? How does that work? Youve posted once....Next you say it's not about 14 yet...its the main point of the question. Feedback for 14 and how certain posters would like things to be around here. Nothing I have said or done here is worthy of being reported so can we not weaponize that system?

It's clear they are the troll alt used to spread drama. Just ignore them. It's all that can be done. People around here lately are more interested in drama than anything else. This thread won't be taken seriously even if someone answers it seriously. There are too many on the forums who don't care right now, and only want to spread as much turmoil as possible. There's an opinion faction war on these forums and at the end of the day nobody will ever be able to make any sense of it because nobody really knows what's going on and why people are so disingenuously passive aggressive.

[IkaraGreydancer]

It's clear they are the troll alt used to spread drama. Just ignore them. It's all that can be done. People around here lately are more interested in drama than anything else. This thread won't be taken seriously even if someone answers it seriously. There are too many on the forums who don't care right now, and only want to spread as much turmoil as possible. There's an opinion faction war on these forums and at the end of the day nobody will ever be able to make any sense of it because nobody really knows what's going on and why people are so disingenuously passive aggressive.

Thing is I'd like to ignore it but if I'm banned because folks decide I'm some troll alt or something (any rational person can look n see this is not the case) I can't say I'd be to happy about that. I simply want to see where folks stand on this topic because for some folks it seems this is what they want. But I'd rather have a discussion on what folks want for/from the forums rather than assume most just want a criticism echo chamber. It's literally a "help me understand you n what you want this space to be" thread basically.

[TheDecay]

Thing is I'd like to ignore it but if I'm banned because folks decide I'm some troll alt or something (any rational person can look n see this is not the case) I can't say I'd be to happy about that. I simply want to see where folks stand on this topic because for some folks it seems this is what they want. But I'd rather have a discussion on what folks want for/from the forums rather than assume most just want a criticism echo chamber. It's literally a "help me understand you n what you want this space to be" thread basically.

I would just like to remind people that it is highly unlikely he/she actually cares about understanding the other side. They already have a preconception and a strawman set up in their mind:

Don't yall crap on the Twitter side of this community for doing this?

Isn't your camp the same folks talking about XIV fans being to soft and immature?

Your hivemind will think they are as per usual as someone is either always right or always wrong here. But I can tell talking with you is only further devolving to the same old nonsensical bs

But I forget you operate on the logic that CBU3 has done nothing right...yet you still pay monthly for the game. By your own logic you're either here because of bad WoW or you're one of those so called sheeple SE fans.

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Pointless, meta drama thread that has nothing to do with FF14. Only outcome of this thread if anyone feeds this troll is more pointless forum drama. Probably made by a troll alt.

Report and move on.

I would concur, this thread is unlikely to have spawned out of a genuine desire for debate and dialogue, and there is little reason to take it seriously.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I would just like to remind people that it is highly unlikely he/she actually cares about understanding the other side:









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I would concur, this thread is unlikely to have spawned out of a genuine desire for debate and dialogue, and there is little reason to take it seriously.

To be fair to everyone I've taken ignored posters off that list for this thread (yes even you) so I can see all of what's being said. You can post what I've said all you want but isn't this not what derailing is? If you don't believe I truly care why post? Just move on.

And to clarify my posts as you are using them devoid of context, they're in response to you being hypocritical about what people should/shouldn't be saying or doing. Lastly i'm going to ask to to go elsewhere if you aren't going to discuss the question asked.

Also thanks for adding false tags to my thread whoever did that.

[Nav_Fae]

You say this...

I would just like to remind people that it is highly unlikely he/she actually cares about understanding the other side. They already have a preconception and a strawman set up in their mind:


I would concur, this thread is unlikely to have spawned out of a genuine desire for debate and dialogue, and there is little reason to take it seriously.

But say this in another thread....

I kindly remind you that no fewer than 4 forum regulars have been permabanned while at least 6 or 7 have been temp-banned because of aggressive language, slander, causing drama, harassment, and/or derailment. The moderators are taking action and it is for the best that, instead of writing more bad-faith posts like this, you treat the "complainers" with respect and dignity and contribute to a more positive and discourse-conducive forum environment.

You just contradicted yourself.

[AwesomeJr44]

This question doesn't feel genuine.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Ok, if you're being genuine, I'll bite. For one, people who have criticisms for the game are not in the majority as yet no matter how loud we may seem. Some of us get aggressive because we have been attacked, shouted down, called fascist, called genocidal, called Trancers, just because we think the Ancients got crapped on by the dev team and Venat got elevated far more than she should have and did not get called on her crap. For two, no, I don't think they should "go away". I just want them to desist in shouting us down and actually understand our point of view and admit hey, there may be a grain of rightness in what we're saying and that we may just have a point.

I can see how it'd feel that way and I'll be the first to say I've done this to a few posters here that get under my skin. I've also had it done to me as well when offering counterpoints to criticism. As it's been said alot of this ire is due to 2 very different camps wanting 2 different things for the game. It sparks a clash on what is and isn't right. That's when talk of the majority of players comes in with most being more casual. Their wants are no more important ofc but it does seem SE is trying to cater to them more but at least keep the other crowd somewhat happy with higher end content.

This question doesn't feel genuine.

If you feel this I'll say like I did to the others. Move along.

Also to whoever keeps changing the tags to false things I ask you please stop. This isn't drama. It's discussion about the health of these forums.

[Axxion]

I can see how it'd feel that way and I'll be the first to say I've done this to a few posters here that get under my skin. I've also had it done to me as well when offering counterpoints to criticism. As it's been said alot of this ire is due to 2 very different camps wanting 2 different things for the game. It sparks a clash on what is and isn't right. That's when talk of the majority of players comes in with most being more casual. Their wants are no more important ofc but it does seem SE is trying to cater to them more but at least keep the other crowd somewhat happen with higher end content.


If you geel this I'll say like I did to the others. Move along.

Also to whoever keeps changing the tags to false things I ask you please stop. This isn't drama. It's discussion about the health of these forums.

a few things if you hover over the tags it will tell you who did it

now for the topic for a sec a good example is drks living dead. Legit people kept saying it was the best CD for the longest time. But you know it kills you if you didnt get healed correctly. Even tho it "planned" if a healer that has never heal a drk before they would not know at the time. it took them until endwalker just to fix it.

And they said during a live ;letter that they did not know that it was a problem. Mind youtubers like xeno and other mentioned time after time that they need to take a look at it

[AwesomeJr44]

If you feel this I'll say like I did to the others. Move along. This isn't drama. It's discussion about the health of these forums.

It seems like your question is indirectly asking whether others want an echo chamber, and yet if they question your premise, you ask them to leave so that you can have an echo chamber. That's why the premise of the OP is ingenuine. If it's a true discussion about the health of the forums, telling people to leave would be antithetical to your goal.

Someone addressing the negativity of the forums being rude to people cynical of the intent. The irony

Ikara's OP seems hypocritical at it's core considering their later responses, doesn't it? I feel that I am well within being reasonable to question the intent.