Just get rid of ranked

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Typical although we had hoped the weapons might encourage engagement. The midseason lull is here.

To be fair, making them available only at Diamond+ is kind of a gut punch for many. I was genuinely hoping when they announced such currency that it would be like Wolf Collars, reaching down to Bronze so even a consistent Bronze player could see an Augmentation item after multiple seasons.

This may be a reach but chances are we are getting such peanut improvements from the JP playerbase being generally active in PvP Ranked regardless and mayhaps they are also apathetic to the reward structure - which tends to prompt no or minimal response by japanese gamedevs if their "core user base" isn't asking for things.

I may also be talking out of my ass right now, I don't know. Just a guess. Anyone here proficient in japanese or know how to translate it and see how their PvP forum looks like?

[Towa-Musa]

To be fair the whole point of casual modes in pvp games is to warm up for ranked play. Nobody does that though. lol

Nobody does that because theres no need to.

[Towa-Musa]

Typical although we had hoped the weapons might encourage engagement. The midseason lull is here.

If something is too stressful and not rewarding enough people will typically avoid it and just play the mode thats got nothing attached to it, no stress = fun.

[Elfidan]

To be fair, making them available only at Diamond+ is kind of a gut punch for many. I was genuinely hoping when they announced such currency that it would be like Wolf Collars, reaching down to Bronze so even a consistent Bronze player could see an Augmentation item after multiple seasons.

This may be a reach but chances are we are getting such peanut improvements from the JP playerbase being generally active in PvP Ranked regardless and mayhaps they are also apathetic to the reward structure - which tends to prompt no or minimal response by japanese gamedevs if their "core user base" isn't asking for things.

I may also be talking out of my ass right now, I don't know. Just a guess. Anyone here proficient in japanese or know how to translate it and see how their PvP forum looks like?

I've already agreed that it should be more in line with the way golden weapons were handled in OW so as to allow anyone to get them eventually.

It would not be surprising if that was the case. They handled many game breaking issues the same way in XI. The NA players would complain perpetually upon finding it then eventually it would hamper a JP group and suddenly it needs to be addressed.

You could ask that guy who accused you and the rest of the top 100 across all seasons of win trading/minion-ing. He was livin' life over there for a hot minute.

Nobody does that because theres no need to.

If you have played with any of the player base you know this isn't true. It's always jump in even though I'm rusty or unready or forgot my keybinds/job playstyle. If there was no need to warm up then why does each and every player do it prior to entering their respective game including, by the way, pro gamers?

If something is too stressful and not rewarding enough people will typically avoid it and just play the mode thats got nothing attached to it, no stress = fun.

We've already hashed that out over and over. Pretty much everyone without exception can agree the rewards in most of FFXIV suck and need an adjustment. PVP just shines brighter than most of the content in this respect. Feeling challenged and stressed are not the same. The issues with ranked being "Role Agnostic", as your favorite forum member coined it, is that they aren't in fact. Yes, it is possible to win with any combo versus any combo but not when the player skill is dead even. And since sometimes you get pooped on with all "Support DPS" vs BLM WHM WAR DRG NIN or similar uphill battles You can't ever really say it's a reasonably fair fight. This season's match making in particular has been atrocious. You will get a team where three players barely register as warm bodies and just continue to get those same people over and over again. In the end everything that can be counted wrong with CC in general and even FL can be attributed to a lack of understanding, moderation, or motivation to continue to iterate in a reasonable manner to move the game modes toward a better state of being. Adding rewards can certainly garner more activity but if you're basically just playing the lottery and praying to hit it big, you're throwing your money away or in this case time. Seasons one through three it would not have been unreasonable for anyone to get to crystal because it was just about playing your best and putting in reps. The sorting was set up to keeps you close to 50/50. I would love to see the win percentage info because there are people capping 500 and up wins and bouncing between diamond 2 and platinum 4. But hey we can't see that because it might hurt someone's feelings.

[Towa-Musa]

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1. i have played with enough people to know that casual and ranked are literally the same thing, you REALLY don't need a warmup for something that is literally 10% you and 90% rng based

2. Yeah we did hash that out and im glad we are on the same page regarding this for the most part.

[RajNish]

1. i have played with enough people to know that casual and ranked are literally the same thing

Especially when in casual matches you are against current crystals and diamonds, who is warming up and die like flies if you have a good team.

something that is literally 10% you and 90% rng based

True. It doesn't matter if you're have the same people on your team three times in a row. Personally, I don't care about rank and just wander from mode to mode. The only difference for me is that in a ranked game, the wait is prohibitively long to get a set of the same people.

[Towa-Musa]

Especially when in casual matches you are against current crystals and diamonds, who is warming up and die like flies if you have a good team.



True. It doesn't matter if you're have the same people on your team three times in a row. Personally, I don't care about rank and just wander from mode to mode. The only difference for me is that in a ranked game, the wait is prohibitively long to get a set of the same people.

Theres not much of a point to ranked ngl but thats okay, if people wanna play the lotto i say let em.
In that same token, id like to see dev resources be shifted tword something thats good for everybody.
Maybe new modes and rewards ect.

[ThaCa]

If shifting dev resources is that important they should just dumpster Ultimate first followed by Savage and Criterions.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

If shifting dev resources is that important they should just dumpster Ultimate first followed by Savage and Criterions.

Savage is a core PVE experience with Ultimate being an extension of those, I wouldn't consider cutting resources from these.

Criterion it is too early for me to tell, but so far it is too little for me to care. Deep dungeon though... can't say I am a fan of Eureka Orthos. We essentially gave up a largescale raid zone akin to Bozja in favour of Deep Dungeon, Criterion and relics tied entirely to Tomestones. So far it is the least engaging expansion if you aren't into Island Sanctuary for instance.

PvP is arguably my only saving grace this expansion, god bless 6.1 PvP. I usually believe, that allocating dev resources to improving PvP would not take away from PvE and is simply on a different budget, but I am struggling to uphold that belief.

[Towa-Musa]

If shifting dev resources is that important they should just dumpster Ultimate first followed by Savage and Criterions.

As far as that content is concerned.... eh.... im 50/50 not gonna lie, with how people have been getting caught cheating however, i would not be surprised if they did that with the hardcore pve stuff.