Endwalker is the lowest point of this game since 1.0

[Nav_Fae]

Nah, you got no way to talk about Endwalker as if it were Heavensward or Stormblood. Shadowbringers was a stepdown, but Endwalker is falling downstairs at this point.
Not even the relic weapons have been saved, it feels like we are seeing the last remenants of creativity and interest of the devs about this game, burnout is real and is extremely notorious with the state of Endwalker.

Great you feel that way because I never did say that. Yet another angry EW sucks person putting words in my mouth I didn't say
Who's turn is next?

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Oh so sorry, right, you have the entirity of the language meaning against you, we are all fools who have missinterpreted your words oh forgive us for your truth is truly our only way forward to salvation.

Now seriously, Endwalker DOES suck. And we can tell this because this thing called a brain, that allows for incredible feats like pattern recognition. And when you get less and worse for the same: somethings up.

[Nav_Fae]

Oh so sorry, right, you have the entirity of the language meaning against you, we are all fools who have missinterpreted your words oh forgive us for your truth is truly our only way forward to salvation.

Now seriously, Endwalker DOES suck. And we can tell this because this thing called a brain, that allows for incredible feats like pattern recognition. And when you get less and worse for the same: somethings up.

If you had this thing called a brain, then you wouldn't have misinterpreted me. Sorry got to call your bluff on that one.

[Silver-Strider]

Better quality than your question.

Deflection is a weak tool for debate.
Your comment implied that people cared more about quantity than quality but instead of actually giving examples of EW's quality, you chose to gaslight people's arguments by saying that Bozja is not perfect, an argument that no one claimed. Making sweeping generalizations about the community doesn't really bode well unless you can actually defend the claim, which you have failed to do. Your claim laughable in its absurdity.

[Nav_Fae]

Deflection is a weak tool for debate.
Your comment implied that people cared more about quantity than quality but instead of actually giving examples of EW's quality, you chose to gaslight people's arguments by saying that Bozja is not perfect, an argument that no one claimed. Making sweeping generalizations about the community doesn't really bode well unless you can actually defend the claim, which you have failed to do. Your claim laughable in its absurdity.

Or maybe I don't want to debate with a bunch of negative nacies that keep injecting things I didn't say into my mouth? You want examples of EW's quality, okay then quote me in the part of my first comment where I mentioned Endwalker in the first place. There's nothing to defend when you keep putting words and gaslighting me. I made a single statement staying that the community cared more about the quantity of the content than the quality of the content. So at what point did I ever mention this was Endwalker I was even referring to? I didn't. You all interpreted that. None of you even asked me to clarify until you started to make assumptions. So why should I defend a claim that wasn't said in the first place? You wanted examples of EWs quality and I ignored you because I never defended it in the first place. But please keep pestering me for answers I will never give you.

[Silver-Strider]

Or maybe I don't want to debate with a bunch of negative nacies that keep injecting things I didn't say into my mouth? You want examples of EW's quality, okay then quote me in the part of my first comment where I mentioned Endwalker in the first place. There's nothing to defend when you keep putting words and gaslighting me.

Your comment was a generalization of the game as a whole, which was false because ShB was universally loved, despite its lack of content. Sure, the lack of content in ShB was a sour point for the expansion as a whole but the quality of the content was never called to question. EW doesn't have this same distinction because, despite having more quantity of content, the quality is absolutely awful, hence the complaints about the quality of it.

I made a single statement staying that the community cared more about the quantity of the content than the quality of the content. So at what point did I ever mention this was Endwalker I was even referring to? I didn't. You all interpreted that. None of you even asked me to clarify until you started to make assumptions.

And you still haven't clarified your post, doing exactly what you're accusing us of by gaslighting and deflecting the argument. It was a stupid post, pure and simple and you've done nothing to correct it or explain it so why shouldn't we be critical of it?

[Nav_Fae]

Your comment was a generalization of the game as a whole, which was false because ShB was universally loved, despite its lack of content. Sure, the lack of content in ShB was a sour point for the expansion as a whole but the quality of the content was never called to question. EW doesn't have this same distinction because, despite having more quantity of content, the quality is absolutely awful, hence the complaints about the quality of it.



And you still haven't clarified your post, doing exactly what you're accusing us of by gaslighting and deflecting the argument. It was a stupid post, pure and simple and you've done nothing to correct it or explain it so why shouldn't we be critical of it?

You aren't worth wasting my entires day worth of limited posts for lol Quit commenting to me. I don't want to engage with you.

[Theodric]

I have come to the realization that this community cares more about the total number of contents released more than the quality of said content that is released.

I don't think that's the case at all. For quite some time one of the biggest complaints towards the game has been the lack of content with staying power that is designed to appeal to players who are all caught up on the latest content patches. It's pretty rare to see people ask for endless content to keep them entertained every hour of every day yet deliberate design decisions have been made throughout Endwalker to chip away at the usual offerings with longevity. We have no relic zone this time around and multiple relic weapon steps have involved tomestones. We have no optional trial series this time around as trials are tied to the MSQ's.

The game has doubled down on pandering heavily to new players and those who spend most of their time attending venues and taking screenshots of their characters. Those of us who actually want a world to explore, meanwhile, are left wanting - and the offerings for that specific key component of pretty much every other MMO on the market have been increasingly lacking here.

Thus do people who still manage to maintain a modicum of hope for the game course correcting in the future continue to leave feedback related to the matter.

[Silver-Strider]

You aren't worth wasting my entires day worth of limited posts for lol Quit commenting to me. I don't want to engage with you.

Maybe don't post so much nonsense and you wouldn't hit the limit so quickly.

[Nav_Fae]

I don't think that's the case at all. For quite some time one of the biggest complaints towards the game has been the lack of content with staying power that is designed to appeal to players who are all caught up on the latest content patches. It's pretty rare to see people ask for endless content to keep them entertained every hour of every day yet deliberate design decisions have been made throughout Endwalker to chip away at the usual offerings with longevity. We have no relic zone this time around and multiple relic weapon steps have involved tomestones. We have no optional trial series this time around as trials are tied to the MSQ's.

The game has doubled down on pandering heavily to new players and those who spend most of their time attending venues and taking screenshots of their characters. Those of us who actually want a world to explore, meanwhile, are left wanting - and the offerings for that specific key component of pretty much every other MMO on the market have been increasingly lacking here.

Thus do people who still manage to maintain a modicum of hope for the game course correcting in the future continue to leave feedback related to the matter.

This is much better than literally every single other person that has replied to me so far. Thank you for not putting words into my mouth and misinterpreting what I said and gaslighting me into a spot of things that I never said. I will answer you cause you were far more polite than every other person that had replied to me. Especially Silver-Strider.

You are the first to make an actual point that counters what I said. "Biggest complaints towards the game is the lack of content". So, believe it or not, I do feel the quality of the content is shit. And a lot of the content isn't going into parts of the game that I personally give a rat's ass about and instead used for things such as the duty support system. Like it's great, but it's taking away attention from other parts of the game. It still counts as content technically, just not fun content catered towards me and my needs. The lack of a new explorer zone is a bummer. And I even said earlier that Bozja was better than what we have now. It's just even back in Shadow Bringers I remember people feeling like Bozja was lacking even for it's time. We're in a far worst spot now than we were then but I do recall people hoping the next relic zone would be better than Bozja. Now we're in a position where we appreciate Bozja only because they gave us worse, and it sucks that they constantly give us crap content and then give us worse content if we underappreciate the original thing.

Doubling down on pandering to new players is a take I 200% get behind. I'm with you all the way on that one. It bothers me to no end. Unlike what many people had originally thought, my original comment was actually directed at people saying ARR and HW had the better content. ARR did give a lot of content per patch. But it wasn't great content. Like 3 dungeons at the time is amazing, but they were still just nothing special dungeons. Same formula that we still have today but with a new coat of paint. Enough to keep us distracted for a bit. I wouldn't call those dungeons good quality dungeons, there was just more of them back then and that's it. The Relic again was something to do and like, we really do need something to do. But I refuse to ever under any circumstance acknowledge that ARR relic was fun content. But based off earlier comments made in this thread, people gave me the impression that they don't mind if the content is trashy if there is just enough content to go around. If I was wrong in that feeling, then I apologize. But based of the other comments behavior I simply did not feel like talking to them.