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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Endwalker is definitely a low point in the game for me.

    The story is good but hardly great. For every high point there is some considerable drag. It was always going to be hard topping Shadowbringers but I feel Endwalker is much closer to Stormblood... which is not exactly a complicate even if I do feel Stormblood's MSQ gets too much criticism. What really damns Endwalker is the severe lack of content longevity. Almost nothing lasts this expansion either due to paltry rewards or simply there being no actual reason to continue doing whatever releases beyond a few days/weeks. The two major selling points of this expansion were Island Sanctuary and Criterion which... haven't exactly gone over well for the precise reasons I just said. What's frustrating is they both have so much potential but we keep cycling back to the utter lack of longevity. Island Sanctuary becomes nothing more than a glorified retainer venture you visit ten minutes a day or once a week. There's literally nothing else you can do with it once you get the ball rolling.

    Say what you will about Eureka or Bozja. They may have been flawed but they gave you a reason to keep playing. The same cannot be said for almost anything Endwalker has offered.
    Idk. I'd take EWs drag portions over ShB any day. The Telos section alone is worse than any dragged section in EW imo. I don't to much compare the ShB and EW story because EWs is an extention of ShBs to me. It wouldn't be here without it so I treat it as a full package. (Ik that sounds weird but I hope you get what I mean).
    While a valid point content longevity is partially a player made issue. Content a particular person may not like doing would be considered bad. But the next person may like it. Sure I can look back n say "Eureka n Bozja kept you busy" but ik for a fact most of that busy time was not spent having fun. It was a bloated grind for the sake of wasting time n I can't say I fully miss that. Deep Dungeon hits a better sweet spot.

    Also a point many skip over, EW has had some amazing QoL improvements andci feel tat should be applauded
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    Last edited by IkaraGreydancer; 06-17-2023 at 06:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato View Post
    Notice how nearly everyone who praises X expansion
    It's not just EW. Most people literally only praise X expansion for the story like they're an IGN journalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    HW was peak. I miss when this game was good. I have no drive to even do Extreme trials and Alliance raids any more, much less Savage. I did 99 of EW Ex trials 1, 2, 3 and 4, but 5 and 6 I'm just drained and can't even be bothered to learn them. I've never felt this before in any expansion.
    The newest Extreme is a lot of fun. I recommend trying it!

    Once you learn it, don't join prog parties because they will always get stuck on some of the mechanics and it'll be draining. But it's only draining because this is a harder fight to learn than some of the other extremes. Once you've got it on farm, it's a lot of fun just to farm it.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    The newest Extreme is a lot of fun. I recommend trying it!

    Once you learn it, don't join prog parties because they will always get stuck on some of the mechanics and it'll be draining. But it's only draining because this is a harder fight to learn than some of the other extremes. Once you've got it on farm, it's a lot of fun just to farm it.
    It is both great and absolutely terrible.
    It's great that it has some teeth to it and feels engaging, but every 2nd mechanic is simply an 8-man body check. This leads to your weakest link quickly becoming a brick wall to your progression because there is literally nothing you personally can do to compensate for them, that is already annoying in savage so I really don't need it in extreme as well.
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    What i feel with XIV is that the highs are SUPER HIGH but the lows as well are greatly noticable
    Not long ago i did a SHB and EW new game+, doing now a HW one as well, but only gonna talk about those 2 because have them fresh
    In SHB you have moments like Hades, Thancred "death", Elidibus WOL, Exarch sacrifice which are just 11/10 moments and leave your mouth with great taste but then I noticed moments like being distracted in fairy land, II megh mine section or to some extent Kholusia, tho that last goes more to personal i would say
    EW was kinda worse and noticeable, Garlemald, Zodiark, Elpis on the great scheme and that final fight with Meteion and Zenos are just so good but then you have Moon phase and Laberynthos wich are just, too bad imo

    As a note have to say the experience was way more light due to me having flying unlocked (Looking at you Labyrinthos)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    HW was peak. I miss when this game was good. I have no drive to even do Extreme trials and Alliance raids any more, much less Savage. I did 99 of EW Ex trials 1, 2, 3 and 4, but 5 and 6 I'm just drained and can't even be bothered to learn them. I've never felt this before in any expansion.
    This is when you step away from the game you are playing. The game is still phenomenal. You are burned out. Take a break for gods sake. WTH is wrong with people like you. TAKE A BREAK!
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    When it comes to EW story, at the time I was playing it I thought it was great. Now that I've had some time to stew on it and think about it, I've found it to be kind of meh. Lots of weird contrivances in the plot and the like.

    The patch story has been pretty dull though.
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    For me I put Endwalker at like 3rd place so heavensward, shadowbringers, Endwalker, stormblood then ARR. I also treat Endwalker as it’s worse if you take the story on it’s own but it’s better combined with shadowbringers it’s sort of like how avengers endgame isn’t a good movie but it’s made better if you combine it with infinity war. In regards to the content types and gameplay I feel Endwalker has definitely gone for variety and that’s been refreshing it’s just as of yet lacks long term rewards for running said content. I feel of relic had a zone to explore or required more to do then just tomes people wouldn’t be as critical.

    I also feel Endwalker has done so much foundational work (for better or worse with dungeon redesign or boss mechanic changes) then any other expansion on top of consistent QoL they have really honed in on the new player experience and for the most part it’s a lot of great changes. Just sadly with their finite resources and team size it can come across like endgame players got shafted for them reworking core elements for new players but for me personally il take that hit and won’t say much unless 7.0 follows the same trajectory.
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    That's okay OP, everyone likes different things. I actually enjoy EW more than ShB but SB is still my #1 favorite.
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    I think it’s probably HW>ARR>=SHB>STB>EW
    The tonal shift around level 61-63 is something the story just didn’t recover from. It’s also not fun just showing up and almost being guaranteed a clear. The stratification of content is not particularly healthy in my eyes.
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