I Can't Do this Anymore

[Towa-Musa]

The way you act about this is exactly the same as people in fl who afk on nodes, you tell them to stop being idle and go attack to get bh, points and remove enemy points, and them going "shut up, that's a dumb plan let them fight".
Then get steamrolled after this, lose and blame spawn rng (which can be really bad, but not this time), it's actually the same level of mentality, and you'll never get better if you get rid of it.

yeah no i hate those people as much as you do not to mention people like that are part of the reason why PVP as a whole is mostly RNG
and im just gonna let my slaughter house title and field commander coat just speak for itself as regards to my skill lmao

Tldr you're wrong again.

[Valence]

excuses, the matchmaking is bad for everyone, so it affect you the same as anyone else. What? you have a special case in the matchmaking? so only you get bad matchmaking and when you win is because you are good? SURE

That's a fallacy. You're assuming everybody playing lottery always hits the averages.

This whole forum is littered with gate keeping elitist PvP andies who resort to insults instead over debate, because clearly if you're not as skilled as them then your opinion simply isn't worth being considered

It's gonna be one of the first times I agree with you here, but it's patently true. Every time somebody dares emit an opinion, the only resort people have as a counterargument is an epeen contest as if it was enough to dismiss it. The git gud argument is frankly cringe and the epitome of ignorance.

Oh that's interesting...It's only some two full weeks since the new season so you climbed from bronze to end of plat in what? 4 hours of total play? If that's all correct than I do see that a bunch of us must be doing it all wrong and we sorely need your advice on how to get this gud! You sure should add an hour here and there whilst it's still active. I'd love to get feedback on the rest of your climb, should you go for it.

My "skill level" means it took me 4 hours or more to get through gold alone and another bunch to get through plat just to get knocked back so I would now need to go through plat again... I don't want to for too many reasons but that's not the point.

Don't listen to his outdated opinion, I already debunked it in another thread, he's still thinking top 100 is full of crystal and then more and starts at 900 rating. That's literally the only environment he has ranked up in. I also have in the first seasons, it was a piece of cake, helped by people still learning the new system and a sample size of players so huge that reaching crystal was definitely not the same experience than it is now, since the whole of crystal on Light for example rarely extends past rank 70, and below it's already diamond.

He has no idea.

[Valence]

I'll never understand what makes people say WAR is meta, or maybe in lower leagues like SAM... but there is a reason it can carry more than a lot of other jobs, notably the squishy ones. One of the two fundamentals of what determines how games turn besides individual skills at taking opportunities when they show up (securing kills, bursting the correct target, etc), are:

- Like in pve, pressing buttons, following a good rotation or at least combinations of skills
- Even more important, taking damage properly 1) without wasting resources aka dying with full MP (thanks miracle of nature), 2) keeping your team mates from more of that damage and 3) by knowing how to actually defend yourself with decent use of guard/purify and recover, then zoom out before coming back. Guess who is doing this the best to my knowledge usually? The top 50 players, you'll see them in every game with this.

It is properly impossible to satisfy the second requirement as a squishy job, which makes them less suited to carry, however a lot of ranged players (including myself) are too afraid of stepping in and peeling off some hits away from their team which increases the pressure melees and healers have on their hands in the frontlines. It is actually one of the fundamentals and there is also a reason that you see lone wolf melees thinking they're gonna go "omae wa mou shinderu nothing personal kid" on ranged actually lose games again and again because in the meantime their team lost on point, and are stuck in gold because of it.

Anyway, if you want to increase your odds (and are actually solid at those jobs, else you're just gonna grief), you can try playing melee DPS and especially healers (a good healer is just not healing themselves, they literally carry whole teams). Tanks as a bonus, can be good as well, even though WAR is the squishiest and easiest to delete. Also bonus points for hard carry LBs like Skyshatter (+ DRG burst on top of it), or SMN LB, timed at the right time to turn tables.

[Towa-Musa]

Honestly, i have begun to find it amusing that whenever you just say somebody is wrong about something they get very mad and begin to try and defame you and belittle your skill.
Do they genuinely believe what they say or are they trolling at this point? the world will never know i suppose.

[Valence]

It's not proper to pvp, it's a cognitive fallacy that comes from argumentative failings and fragile egos in literally every competitive or team based video game. Pve is the exact same scenery at higher level where everything that will matter is "Do you have orange parses like me? Then your opinion is irrelevant".

[Towa-Musa]

I'll never understand what makes people say WAR is meta, or maybe in lower leagues like SAM... but there is a reason it can carry more than a lot of other jobs, notably the squishy ones. One of the two fundamentals of what determines how games turn besides individual skills at taking opportunities when they show up (securing kills, bursting the correct target, etc), are:

- Like in pve, pressing buttons, following a good rotation or at least combinations of skills
- Even more important, taking damage properly 1) without wasting resources aka dying with full MP (thanks miracle of nature), 2) keeping your team mates from more of that damage and 3) by knowing how to actually defend yourself with decent use of guard/purify and recover, then zoom out before coming back. Guess who is doing this the best to my knowledge usually? The top 50 players, you'll see them in every game with this.

It is properly impossible to satisfy the second requirement as a squishy job, which makes them less suited to carry, however a lot of ranged players (including myself) are too afraid of stepping in and peeling off some hits away from their team which increases the pressure melees and healers have on their hands in the frontlines. It is actually one of the fundamentals and there is also a reason that you see lone wolf melees thinking they're gonna go "omae wa mou shinderu nothing personal kid" on ranged actually lose games again and again because in the meantime their team lost on point, and are stuck in gold because of it.

Anyway, if you want to increase your odds (and are actually solid at those jobs, else you're just gonna grief), you can try playing melee DPS and especially healers (a good healer is just not healing themselves, they literally carry whole teams). Tanks as a bonus, can be good as well, even though WAR is the squishiest and easiest to delete. Also bonus points for hard carry LBs like Skyshatter (+ DRG burst on top of it), or SMN LB, timed at the right time to turn tables.

i agree with everything you just said save for the carrying, you really cant reliably carry BUT you can most definitely (once in a blue moon) wipe the enemy when they are all hugging the point! i have done it before as a GNB and it was GLORIOUS! *chefs kiss*

[Archeron]

The elitists just aren't capable of controlling themselves, or their attitudes. Half the time I don't think they're trolling and thats how they genuinely think, and behave. They have no regard for anyone else. This is amplified even further by the moderation on these forums being extremely lacking at the best of times.

As for ranked itself I personally see no incentive to do the grind again beyond the mild entertainment it offers. It is best enjoyed like most things in moderation, and the rewards on offer aren't exciting enough for the likes of me. I do find it hilarious to enter ranked on alts with a big sprout slapped on their name and nothing but the ugliest mismatch ARR gear, and then carry games for as high as you can climb.

[Towa-Musa]

If anything the ranking system is far too lenient. I'd rather remove streaks and players derank to unranked even if it kills the mode entirely.

you know what, yeah kill ranked off even more.

[Towa-Musa]

The elitists just aren't capable of controlling themselves, or their attitudes. Half the time I don't think they're trolling and thats how they genuinely think, and behave. They have no regard for anyone else. This is amplified even further by the moderation on these forums being extremely lacking at the best of times.

As for ranked itself I personally see no incentive to do the grind again beyond the mild entertainment it offers. It is best enjoyed like most things in moderation, and the rewards on offer aren't exciting enough for the likes of me. I do find it hilarious to enter ranked on alts with a big sprout slapped on their name and nothing but the ugliest mismatch ARR gear, and then carry games for as high as you can climb.

i went from bronze to plat in one day by playing casually lol and they keep lying to themselves about it being luck.

[Towa-Musa]

Can't kill what's already dead. Unsurprisingly, match quality is one of the many contributors to the lack of this game mode's success. Then you have unappealing rewards and a dated game engine unsuitable for PVP.

lol true, ranked should have never existed imo