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    This whole forum is littered with gate keeping elitist PvP andies who resort to insults instead over debate, because clearly if you're not as skilled as them then your opinion simply isn't worth being considered, and dont you dare suggest any system that would make them have to work even 1% harder. They're dense and averse to change.

    It's ridiculous, and people wonder why the devs wouldn't consider our feedback in the rare event they actually opened the forums up looking for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    This whole forum is littered with gate keeping elitist PvP andies who resort to insults instead over debate, because clearly if you're not as skilled as them then your opinion simply isn't worth being considered, and dont you dare suggest any system that would make them have to work even 1% harder. They're dense and averse to change.

    It's ridiculous, and people wonder why the devs wouldn't consider our feedback in the rare event they actually opened the forums up looking for it.
    You're either good enough to climb or you're not, its literally as simple as that. If you're not good enough to climb then you will remain where you got stuck at. Nothing about that is gatekeeping, its just a simple fact of how ranking systems work. Its not a progression system, its a RANKING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    You're either good enough to climb or you're not, its literally as simple as that. If you're not good enough to climb then you will remain where you got stuck at. Nothing about that is gatekeeping, its just a simple fact of how ranking systems work. Its not a progression system, its a RANKING.
    Of course someone like you would defend the ranking system the way it is.

    What if you want to rank with a non meta job? Does that have to do with your skill? No? Then it's really not a skill issue then, is it? It's not much of a ranking system, and it comes down to luck when you get consecutive loss streaks that tank all of your work. I'm glad the gatekeepers come out of the woodworks the second I call them out too, I laughed for a solid few at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    Of course someone like you would defend the ranking system the way it is.

    What if you want to rank with a non meta job? Does that have to do with your skill? No? Then it's really not a skill issue then, is it? It's not much of a ranking system, and it comes down to luck when you get consecutive loss streaks that tank all of your work. I'm glad the gatekeepers come out of the woodworks the second I call them out too, I laughed for a solid few at that.
    Then rank up with a non "meta" job (all the jobs are viable). I did it in season 1 and 2 with BRD.

    yo-yoing is normal for any ranked system, but at the end of the day calling it "luck" shows that you're just not good enough. I was crystal in Seasons 1-3 and in season 3 they reset everyone back to bronze so I've made that climb twice. Stopped queueing because ranked queues were too long and I was back into bronze this season since I wasn't actively playing every season. Guess what? I'm almost back to diamond and I basically only play like twice a week an hour before before raid nights. If I played more I'd probably be crystal already and I kind of wish I did play more because I get the feeling once I hit diamond the queue's will go back to being 30 minutes again.

    Stop making excuses for why you can't climb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Then rank up with a non "meta" job (all the jobs are viable). I did it in season 1 and 2 with BRD.

    yo-yoing is normal for any ranked system, but at the end of the day calling it "luck" shows that you're just not good enough. I was crystal in Seasons 1-3 and in season 3 they reset everyone back to bronze so I've made that climb twice. Stopped queueing because ranked queues were too long and I was back into bronze this season since I wasn't actively playing every season. Guess what? I'm almost back to diamond and I basically only play like twice a week an hour before before raid nights. If I played more I'd probably be crystal already and I kind of wish I did play more because I get the feeling once I hit diamond the queue's will go back to being 30 minutes again.

    Stop making excuses for why you can't climb.
    Wheres the excuse? I'm not the one in this thread complaining that I can't rank. I'm criticizing the ranking system. Do you have no reading comprehension?
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    Last edited by Archeron; 06-06-2023 at 01:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    Wheres the excuse? I'm not the one in this thread complaining that I can't rank. I'm criticizing the ranking system. Do you have no reading comprehension?
    Hes a pvp andie, of course he cant read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Then rank up with a non "meta" job (all the jobs are viable). I did it in season 1 and 2 with BRD.

    yo-yoing is normal for any ranked system, but at the end of the day calling it "luck" shows that you're just not good enough. I was crystal in Seasons 1-3 and in season 3 they reset everyone back to bronze so I've made that climb twice. Stopped queueing because ranked queues were too long and I was back into bronze this season since I wasn't actively playing every season. Guess what? I'm almost back to diamond and I basically only play like twice a week an hour before before raid nights. If I played more I'd probably be crystal already and I kind of wish I did play more because I get the feeling once I hit diamond the queue's will go back to being 30 minutes again.

    Stop making excuses for why you can't climb.
    Oh that's interesting...It's only some two full weeks since the new season so you climbed from bronze to end of plat in what? 4 hours of total play? If that's all correct than I do see that a bunch of us must be doing it all wrong and we sorely need your advice on how to get this gud! You sure should add an hour here and there whilst it's still active. I'd love to get feedback on the rest of your climb, should you go for it.

    My "skill level" means it took me 4 hours or more to get through gold alone and another bunch to get through plat just to get knocked back so I would now need to go through plat again... I don't want to for too many reasons but that's not the point.

    For those still having a good time in cc, enjoy the hell out of it!

    For those who don't, you are not here to feel bad and the negativity from cc is sticky and can easily have a spillover effect on other aspects of you life in game and otherwise so go be awesome in other content and spare yourself some bad vibes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raistlin View Post
    excuses, the matchmaking is bad for everyone, so it affect you the same as anyone else. What? you have a special case in the matchmaking? so only you get bad matchmaking and when you win is because you are good? SURE
    That's a fallacy. You're assuming everybody playing lottery always hits the averages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    This whole forum is littered with gate keeping elitist PvP andies who resort to insults instead over debate, because clearly if you're not as skilled as them then your opinion simply isn't worth being considered
    It's gonna be one of the first times I agree with you here, but it's patently true. Every time somebody dares emit an opinion, the only resort people have as a counterargument is an epeen contest as if it was enough to dismiss it. The git gud argument is frankly cringe and the epitome of ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluish View Post
    Oh that's interesting...It's only some two full weeks since the new season so you climbed from bronze to end of plat in what? 4 hours of total play? If that's all correct than I do see that a bunch of us must be doing it all wrong and we sorely need your advice on how to get this gud! You sure should add an hour here and there whilst it's still active. I'd love to get feedback on the rest of your climb, should you go for it.

    My "skill level" means it took me 4 hours or more to get through gold alone and another bunch to get through plat just to get knocked back so I would now need to go through plat again... I don't want to for too many reasons but that's not the point.
    Don't listen to his outdated opinion, I already debunked it in another thread, he's still thinking top 100 is full of crystal and then more and starts at 900 rating. That's literally the only environment he has ranked up in. I also have in the first seasons, it was a piece of cake, helped by people still learning the new system and a sample size of players so huge that reaching crystal was definitely not the same experience than it is now, since the whole of crystal on Light for example rarely extends past rank 70, and below it's already diamond.

    He has no idea.
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    Anzeal Lunaris-vidar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    Of course someone like you would defend the ranking system the way it is.

    What if you want to rank with a non meta job? Does that have to do with your skill? No? Then it's really not a skill issue then, is it? It's not much of a ranking system, and it comes down to luck when you get consecutive loss streaks that tank all of your work. I'm glad the gatekeepers come out of the woodworks the second I call them out too, I laughed for a solid few at that.
    I used to think like you because I was hard-stuck at low Dia/Plat last season. So rn I having a long summer vacation, I have improved my skills by creating alts in both JP, NA and somehow I know I get better and better by only playing and practicing in Ranked (not Casual because you will get a bad habit and it's one side battle).

    I tried many strategies, baiting people in overtime, etc... (JP Ranked stays active till the last day of the season). I start fresh this season in both DC, my main and 2 other alts all climbed Crystal tier and even got to the leaderboard (Primal/Elemental) all by non-meta jobs like SCH/BLM/SMN/MCH.I climbed to Crystal in JP first since I have lower ping so I thought it was my Ping that halted my progression, then I tried with my alt in NA to test if I could climb too with a high ping in NA DC and yes I climbed. With enough experiment I'm sure it's skill issues, sometimes you get bad matches that you lose anyway but if you are above other's skills, you sure have carry potential.

    And yes, I think I have some luck this early season because after getting to Crystal tier I now ping pong at 0-600 Crystal credit, I really see my skill gap with the top 30 players. When you get to Crystal tier you will see you have to think faster and keep improving your skills if you want to get Credit otherwise you stayed at low credit/demotion.

    This is my experience so far with CC Ranked in this game I want to share, with no offenses .
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    Last edited by Anzeal; 06-06-2023 at 04:03 PM.