I Can't Do this Anymore

[Miohazuki]

Win, lose, win, lose, win, lose, win, lose.

Rank go up, Rank go down. Spend all day and just about hit Diamond? Oops here comes a losing streak, now go all the way back down to Platinum 4! Your whole day was just wasted.

I just can't at this point. The amount of time it has taken me to get this far has been obscene. Way, way way too much of my day is being spent on trying to rank up now due to this garbage system. There is no way to progress to Crystal without outright unhealthy levels of play unless you want this to take months.

It has ruined CC for me at this point. It's honestly starting to make me resent the entire game. I'm not having fun, I'm already dreading Diamond being even LONGER. There is nothing good, enjoyable, or rewarding about this system. It just flat out sucks. I have no control over who I play with or against. If my teammates throw I'm not going to carry them by myself. There is already enough punishment in not gaining any rank from losing, why should I be further punished by LOSING rank on top of that?

Everything about this sucks, I'm tired of so much of my day being spent trying to progress because I feel I have to just to have any chance of getting to Crystal in the forseeable future. I hate this, I hate CC now, I'm starting to hate this game. There is nothing about this system that showcases one's skill. You are not going to progress if you don't win. If you are an actual deadweight 4 people are not going to be able to carry you. That is already sufficient punishment. Hell, I would happily give up win streak bonuses, or even gaining exp/marks for losing at all. But outright LOSING PROGRESS is just godawful especially when I do not have total control over the matches. It sucks. It makes the game worse. Please stop making these systems.

All pvp games are like this .if you can't handle loses then the pvp mode especially ranked mode is not for u

[Elfidan]

Don't let people blow smoke up your tail pipe. It's absolutely normal to yo-yo in a ranked pvp system and more so here where random is everything. The only variable you can control is what job you play and how well you play. If you want to stretch it you can counter a bad player if you are proficient at their job thus auto assigning yourself to the opposite team if you get their lobby. It was like this in S1 S2 S3 ... All of them were a yo-yo game for 90% of players regardless of skill. Just do your best and if you lose go to game two or if it's a bad lobby for you Queue down for a bit and go feed your animals on the island. Unless your trying to top 100 crystal is just a matter of perseverance.

[Malganis_L]

current Ranking system is... pretty flawed for how things set up at the moment.

In 1v1 pvp games, would be totally fine.
In 5v5 preformed team pvp, also completely fine.
In 5v5 solo que only, completely abhorrent.

mainly because in the first 2 you have full control over how you are approching things,
if you are worse than the opponent, you lose, if you are better, you win, simple.
yoyoing is boils down to skill and only a small portion of luck

with the solo que however, you can throw that all out of the window, as you just have only 20% control over your teams performance and have to pray to Rngesus for the rest.

[ThaCa]

People overthink the whole Ranked. If you start counting how many wins or losses needed for X you are just getting distracted from your current game.

Just play the Job(s) you are comfortable with and focus on the match at hand. Get a bunch of lopsided games against you with mostly same players? Queue down and take a break. Get a nice winstreak going? Keep pushing until it breaks.

Face mostly decent players with 1 or 2 that drag team down? Snipe their Jobs if you can play them.

As long as you don't tilt too much and learn from the games, you are bound to go up eventually. Worrying about Rank instead of playing to win and focusing on self improvement is useless.

[Mistress_Irika]

No. Stop making this argument. That should be the bare minimum. Losing rank does for losing in a game where I do not have total control over who I group with or against, over whether or not I win, does not make the Ranking a more an indicator of skill.

It does not make Ranking more rewarding.

It does not make Ranking more enjoyable.

It is a spat in the face, a waste of my time. It invalidates my progress completely. Not gaining a star is already enough punishment for failure.

You sound like the people who thought losing EXP in an oldschool MMO was good game design and and the definition of "hard" when it was just time wasting. If I don't win, I don't rank up. I need to play well to win, in order to progress. That alone is enough. Losing progres for failure (especially when I can do extremely well but the rest of my team is just garbage or intentionally throwing) is just terrible design. Why should I bother putting time aside each day to Rank when I could spend all day only to end with up lower on the Rank than when I started? How the hell do you defend this?

It's trash. It's terrible. It's a waste of time. That's all it is. It is not "babying" to not have Rank decay. It's the bare bloody minimum to not make the game rage-inducing. Punishing players on that level doesn't make the game harder or more rewarding it just makes it frustrating and time-wasting. And we all know the only real reason this entire system exists is to make it take artificially longer to progress so as to pad out players sub time. Pretending otherwise is just being dishonest.

I would be fine if they removed win streaks, I would be fine if they removed pvp exp/marks/any rewards for losing. But taking away my progress for failure? No. Screw that. There is no defense for that. Just stop.

Rank may as well be deleted. It's no longer rank that you're describing. It's a progression system that anyone can do. If that's the way everyone wants to go that's fine. Just take away the entire ranking system and the rewards attached to it if you do. The devs can figure out how to rework rewarding those that's just participating in pvp. I don't see the point of reverting to how things was originally just to hear again how there's no difference between Crystal play and casual play. You already have a few tools to "boost" your way up the ranks without using another player to help (meta jobs, playing on your favorite map)

There's a difference between de-ranking (demoting) and decaying, both of which I'm pretty certain you would hate if it was truly implemented. De-ranking is falling down a rank for too many losses. Decaying is slowly losing rank for inactivity.

We should be grateful that Yoshi is not letting people fall below platinum. If he decided to be truly brutal most of us would be stuck between silver and gold, and the floor for top 100 would probably not be filled with just Crystal players.

[Towa-Musa]

man.... all these 'get gud' posts make me so SO glad that yall get next to nothing for ranked rewards now, you don't deserve it.
OP has a REALLY FAIR complaint and yall just being PVP andies right now.

Yes this system has really big failings
Yes the ranked mode does not feel like a proper ranked mode
Yes this game does not reward skill based play in pvp
Yes it is quite literally a gamble when you try to play ranked with randos
Yes if you reached crystal ranked at all i suggest you go and play the lotto

[Towa-Musa]

current Ranking system is... pretty flawed for how things set up at the moment.

In 1v1 pvp games, would be totally fine.
In 5v5 preformed team pvp, also completely fine.
In 5v5 solo que only, completely abhorrent.

mainly because in the first 2 you have full control over how you are approching things,
if you are worse than the opponent, you lose, if you are better, you win, simple.
yoyoing is boils down to skill and only a small portion of luck

with the solo que however, you can throw that all out of the window, as you just have only 20% control over your teams performance and have to pray to Rngesus for the rest.

This person gets it.

[Hik3n]

man.... all these 'get gud' posts make me so SO glad that yall get next to nothing for ranked rewards now, you don't deserve it.
OP has a REALLY FAIR complaint and yall just being PVP andies right now.

The entire system is broken, for one there is no chat ( so you can't do strategy, can't give out any info, or control in any way what your random team will do, a lot of people don't even know how to use their job ... and there is no way to even try to fix it, because no chat).
The last patch made it very obvious SQ has no people who know how to balance PVP, they nerfed jobs that were unnecessary and buffed jobs in ways that made some ridiculous. The new shatter map is the perfect example for this in how it is made, they made the map in a way that makes one team always be in a pinch, and made the map more PVE oriented overall where 99% of the people just run after crystals and do nothing more, the entire thing is a joke. I can't even call this ranked to begin with, the only thing you are in control is your job, your team most of the time are people who wait for the perfect team to carry them, strategy is non -existent because you have no chat, so most of the times you will lose . The most ridiculous thing is the team PVP tournament that will be on Fanfest .... i laughted at that when i read the news exactly because how CC works in this game. The most interesting thing is, if you played PVP before the reworks, you know there was party PVP where people can go in with randoms and make teams if they want, now you don't have a chose, if you did it solo you were aware it will be harder because randoms are randoms, and no one cried about people who made teams to do it... to begin with , this entire rework they do right now is just bad, more things were removed than put in, be it Frontline, ranked, or the balance... in my opinion pre rework pvp was better, making every job a dps was a mistake to begin with. And the best thing with this rework they just concentrate on CC, and everything else is in the garbage, Wolf Mark reward, we even got Crystals( one more currency that is worthless), and we hit the next season and we still got no new things in either of those. This entire PVP thing is a lost cause at this point, i don't think there is any way it will be better if they don't dedicate people to do things who knows how to actually balance pvp and do the reward system and maps , and don't do something about communication. Ranked in this game is no fair, and doesn't respects your time at all, the entire thing is like a casino, you hit the button and you will win if you had luck, in pre rework PVP if your premade team was good, you dominated everyone... if they were trash, at least you didn't feel like shit, because everyone known they are bad, but even when you had a bad team and you tried and worked for it after some time you became better and can climb at one point, here 99% of the time you have a bad team.

[Archeron]

This whole forum is littered with gate keeping elitist PvP andies who resort to insults instead over debate, because clearly if you're not as skilled as them then your opinion simply isn't worth being considered, and dont you dare suggest any system that would make them have to work even 1% harder. They're dense and averse to change.

It's ridiculous, and people wonder why the devs wouldn't consider our feedback in the rare event they actually opened the forums up looking for it.

[Ransu]

This whole forum is littered with gate keeping elitist PvP andies who resort to insults instead over debate, because clearly if you're not as skilled as them then your opinion simply isn't worth being considered, and dont you dare suggest any system that would make them have to work even 1% harder. They're dense and averse to change.

It's ridiculous, and people wonder why the devs wouldn't consider our feedback in the rare event they actually opened the forums up looking for it.

You're either good enough to climb or you're not, its literally as simple as that. If you're not good enough to climb then you will remain where you got stuck at. Nothing about that is gatekeeping, its just a simple fact of how ranking systems work. Its not a progression system, its a RANKING.