I Can't Do this Anymore

[Ixon]

Only job which I haven't seen people main all the way to Crystal has been Gunbreaker There are plenty of jobs like AST/BRD/SGE players in top 10

I did. Was not fun at all. Took 5 times as long than if I went something like WAR.

[gioroggia]

Not everyone wins/loses the same amount Someone might get higher rating in 1 hour compared to someone who would play 7 hours

Yeah, but winning or losing doesn't really have much to do with your own skill. It's RNG on matchmaking, RNG on class composition, RNG on the order those wins and losses come, and finally the job you play.

I haven't been playing that much on ranked because I think the balance across jobs is so poor that this should be considered a beta.

But sometimes I do play ranked. I'm gold now, and though I win a little more often than I lose, I'm never lucky enough to get win streaks. So climbing is very slow.

If I had a little more luck on winning the third match in a sequence, I would be certainly be plat now.

If I had a little bit more luck on the matchmaking the few times I got one victory from Plat, I would be plat and could not go back in the rank no matter how often I lost.

If I changed from the class which I main - DRG - to WHM/WAR/RDM I would be plat or more by now. Perhaps with NIN and SAM, too. But I refuse to play jobs I consider utterly unbalanced.

There just is so much involved besides your own skill, that the only reliable way to rank up is to play an op job OR spend an incredible amount of time on ranked, since the system leads to rank inflation over time.

I think this is what is wrong with the system. In any case, I expect the first balance patch to improve things.

[Wolffriend]

Fair question and this isnt a jab actual fair question. Have you played an online pvp ladder based game? DotA, Starcraft, League of Legends, Overwatch, Counterstrike etc. Speaking as someone who was mediocre at league I would spend 8 months playing 8-10 games a day going up and down...inside silver alone. 8....Months.....Inside ONE division. XIV is VERY forgiving with this design. You have to understand from the perspective of people who do other pvp games we are actually confused by what you are asking for because how it is the norm if not "babys first ladder"

edit, missed one word

I think the reality is that a lot of FFXIV PvP players may have never played any of those games (I haven't). Yoshi and company specifically pointed out that their idea behind the job revamps and new mode was to get non-PvP folks interested in PvP, so it wasn't just the same small population doing it over and over again. So some, maybe many folks new to ranked PvP (and maybe PvP in general) will eventually feel like Yukiko and wonder where the fun is in ranked if they're stuck in Bronze/Silver hell because they play it only a couple of hours (if that) each day between other game stuff and have little chance to improve because of the broken matchmaking at those levels (another topic altogether) -- you know, the typical casual FFXIV player Yoshi says they mainly design for. In that regard, while it's enormous fun to play, and some of us relatively new folks to competitive PvP want a chance to improve ourselves, frustration with not going anywhere no matter how hard you try will eventually give up and stick with casual, leading to the same situation (aka The Feast) these changes were supposed to solve.

(Oh, and don't bother looking to see where this character is ranked; I PvP on another alt I play more these days.)

[Garten]

Punishing =/= difficulty.

85% Of ppl seems to not understand this simple fact...
I think i'll kill myself to get to crystal (i'm plat for now) just to "prove" to these people that i am not complaining cause i am mad or something but just beacuse i TRULY believe in that statement

[Freemind]

Win, lose, win, lose, win, lose, win, lose.

Rank go up, Rank go down. Spend all day and just about hit Diamond? Oops here comes a losing streak, now go all the way back down to Platinum 4! Your whole day was just wasted.

I just can't at this point. The amount of time it has taken me to get this far has been obscene. Way, way way too much of my day is being spent on trying to rank up now due to this garbage system. There is no way to progress to Crystal without outright unhealthy levels of play unless you want this to take months.

It has ruined CC for me at this point. It's honestly starting to make me resent the entire game. I'm not having fun, I'm already dreading Diamond being even LONGER. There is nothing good, enjoyable, or rewarding about this system. It just flat out sucks. I have no control over who I play with or against. If my teammates throw I'm not going to carry them by myself. There is already enough punishment in not gaining any rank from losing, why should I be further punished by LOSING rank on top of that?

Everything about this sucks, I'm tired of so much of my day being spent trying to progress because I feel I have to just to have any chance of getting to Crystal in the forseeable future. I hate this, I hate CC now, I'm starting to hate this game. There is nothing about this system that showcases one's skill. You are not going to progress if you don't win. If you are an actual deadweight 4 people are not going to be able to carry you. That is already sufficient punishment. Hell, I would happily give up win streak bonuses, or even gaining exp/marks for losing at all. But outright LOSING PROGRESS is just godawful especially when I do not have total control over the matches. It sucks. It makes the game worse. Please stop making these systems.

Sounds like someones new to ranked games.
This is how every ranked system works. Check games like cs:go, LoL, Dota, it's all bout playing whats best, thats what competitive games has always been about.
If you wanna chill with whatever class, go to Casual, thats what it's for.
Another game Rainbow six siege or Rocket League. Meta classes, some cars were meta cuz they had better hitboxes.

Ranked = tryharding with meta to try & rank up as high as possible while constantly getting better & better.
Casual = Fun place to play whatever you want, while not caring about losses or wins.

It's not that the system is bad, you just don't enjoy it, which is fine. Just don't play it.
Rankeds existance doesn't have any effect on your overall enjoyment as you can play whatever else that the game offers.

So no, don't "stop making these systems" just because you don't enjoy them. This is not YukikoKurosawas game, this is SQE game with millions of other players.

[Eliana-Elrich]

We’re upset because a team game isn’t show casing any one person particular skill?

How is it a team game when you get random people you cannot communicate with?

[Sindele]

Humans have successfully collaborated with other humans even in the face of a complete lack of mutual intelligibility, and have been doing so for quite literally thousands of years. If you can't figure out how to do it with markers and quick chat functions that everyone understands, I don't know what to tell you.

[Shuuli]

I am not sure if I should feel happy or concerned that after my comments in previous forums, everything I said is coming true. People of FF who never played similar PvP games are going nuts and showing the exact first steps of desperation that leads to utmost toxicity as any other online competitive game induces.

I give you a piece of advice as someone who spent insane amount of time and money in UT2k4, League of Legends, Overwatch. Stop and think. "Why am I even doing this?"
- Is it fun?
- Is it giving you any reward? Are those rewards really worth to spend your free time in misery?
- Are you feeling fulfilled after a gaming session?
- Most important: How much did this mode isolate me from the people I used to talk to and play with?

Most competitive games are designed with this 50-50 win ratio.
Most competitive games struggle with balancing.
Most competitive games struggle with matchmaking.
Most competitive game community becomes easily toxic.

For these reasons only I am a bit in agreement that we do not have chat available. However it still bothers me that I cannot talk to my friends in a linkshell who are not in the match with me. When they are talking to me and I can clearly see it.

Biggest miss for me is that you cannot duo or team queue into duty. You can only do full custom games with 10 people.

[SkyEdge1]

Even playing ranked in the lows can be demoralizing, I was 1 match away from Gold, and then went on a frigging 10 match losing streak. All the damn way back to S3 that was...hard to want to keep playing. Swapped over my mindset to get out of ranked and played casual since then. I won't touch ranked anymore tbh not worth the stress on what otherwise, is the highlight of 6.1 content for me in the new pvp.

[Raistlin]

Not sure what u want, if u cant advance a rank is because u belong to that rank, that have been always the case with ranking systems, Dota, LoL, or any other.

What do u think? that u can keep your win ratio the more you go up? lol is like complaining u cant win a CS:GO tournament after spending 20k hours in the game.

The only solution is to admit, you are not as good as you think u are. Here I am, stuck in GOLD as BLM only, I win 1 lose 3. Do I care? no, my goal is still the same, reach platinum... will I reach it? maybe if they balance the jobs someday :_) but the system is not the problem, is more, thanks SE for not allowing derank like other games.

Some of you are very very spoiled, dont touch competitive if u cant handle to lose or to realize you are not as good as you think.