Day 8 after last Patch ...

[GTK0HLK]

The only way someone would ve near capped/Capped in Island Sanctuary..,
is if they partook in the EXPlosion, and manually grinded a few levels/exp/resources.

Which is far from casual(in the sense of/akin to setting alarms to be up at server up/LL-Stream Start is for the Heavily Invested.)

Agreed only on the idea that for sure it just doesn't seem enough for a number of players in here, as it likely does for those who forget to remind themselves the reasons for all the wait for content, or their lack thereof.

[4clubbedace]

- MSQ done
- Pandemonium done
- New Dungeon done
- New Trial done
- Island Sanctuary Level 15,5, all Buildings Upgraded + all Quests done
- New Craftable Gear 4 Jobs done, Materials for the last 3 Gears already farmed
- Frontline Series Level 11


This is way to less content for 4 Months, in 2 Months we get for Blue Mages some new Spells + 10 Levels, Manderville Weapon upgrade and that's all for the next 4 Months?
I swear if 7.0 brings not a fat chunk of Story + more Content then I will be sad and mad. Even WoW has more content right now.

savage came out yday wym

[Atelier-Bagur]

I don't play ESO - But I'm gonna assume that ESO probably designs dungeons to actually be repeatable. Is that possibly the truth? Because I don't know many other MMOs that design dungeons to be thrown away like XIV.




Not many people just play 1 MMO as their game of choice 24/7, most of us don't. The problem is when you have to pay a monthly fee for something that can't even keep up with the entertainment value of most other monthly fee things these days. I get more out of Netflix than I do XIV, and at least it has voice acting and plotlines. lol

Imagine if Netflix used FOMO systems and held your assets hostage unless you stayed subbed, then you get bored of the new releases but you're still tied down.

.. Also, I'm not talking about things to mindlessly grind. I'm talking about entertainment.

Yeah but to a lot of people, each one has their own reasons for staying subbed. Heck Stormpeaks even proves my point with despite how much she despises the game itself, she finds value in its housing. The secret to an MMO retaining a player is to give them just a single reason for staying in the game, rather than having multiple reasons. I was mad at this game for the lack of lasting retention...but then I realized, it doesnt NEED to retain me, I already have my reasons that make my sub worth it (which is my love for my characters and their stories, the msq and that its an MMO FF game).

If people are arguing about lacking reasons to pay the sub, then obviously means to stop playing and move on from it. Not everyone is going to feel the same way as you do, nor everyone is going to feel the same way as I do. If you want to play more FFXIV...then play more FFXIV then. If you did everything you wanted to do in the game then thats it, find other ways to play the game. This is a bad example I'm going to throw out but why do you think Classic WoW has a lot of retention. You see people playing the game multiple ways, not because the content itself retains them...Blizzard isnt pumping out fresh content for a 19 year old game, but because they "like" the game, they find their own fun. I say its a bad example because FFXIV clearly doesnt have the same level of depth as that game does, but even when I play older games, I still make multiple playthroughs and try to do things differently because the game itself is fun to play. It didnt need a live service for my enjoyment. The reason we pay a sub for FFXIV is because of the fact that it does update, (also server service but whatever) and if the game is still enjoyable for me to play, then I continue playing.

Also Netflix and MMOs are two different things in entertainment, you cant just use that analogy to compare paying a live service because of how those systems work.

[kcj]

Bored? Okay, go make a brand new character. That should keep you busy for the next half year or so.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Bored? Okay, go make a brand new character. That should keep you busy for the next half year or so.

It certainly has for me. Try juggling endgame on 3 different alts. Just gearing them up alone already has me in circles.

And I only did it because I wanted to play other races without fantasia

[R041]

If people are arguing about lacking reasons to pay the sub, then obviously means to stop playing and move on from it. Not everyone is going to feel the same way as you do, nor everyone is going to feel the same way as I do. If you want to play more FFXIV...then play more FFXIV then. If you did everything you wanted to do in the game then thats it, find other ways to play the game. This is a bad example I'm going to throw out but why do you think Classic WoW has a lot of retention. You see people playing the game multiple ways, not because the content itself retains them...Blizzard isnt pumping out fresh content for a 19 year old game, but because they "like" the game, they find their own fun. I say its a bad example because FFXIV clearly doesnt have the same level of depth as that game does, but even when I play older games, I still make multiple playthroughs and try to do things differently because the game itself is fun to play. It didnt need a live service for my enjoyment. The reason we pay a sub for FFXIV is because of the fact that it does update, (also server service but whatever) and if the game is still enjoyable for me to play, then I continue playing.

Also Netflix and MMOs are two different things in entertainment, you cant just use that analogy to compare paying a live service because of how those systems work.

Analogy isn't perfect, but the feeling is all the same to me tbh.

You have a point with WoW - It's easier to make your own fun over there, unless it has to do with housing. So where WoW allows more engaging self-made content, XIV provides avenue for environmental self-made content. I wish we had both..

So the problem with XIV locking housing out from people with FOMO, makes it even worse. If everyone had the ability to have a full house, or their own island instance with inside/outside furnishing + garden.. We'd be in a better place.

Watching the Savage World Race, they were talking with a WoW player about the type of content WoW players make for themselves, and how they can be competitive in their own way, like dungeon running. But admitted that things like that are basically impossible with XIV. The best we can do is maybe POTD races, and of course Savage / Ultimate.

[Hurlstone]

I don't play ESO - But I'm gonna assume that ESO probably designs dungeons to actually be repeatable. Is that possibly the truth? Because I don't know many other MMOs that design dungeons to be thrown away like XIV.

I would actually say ESO has the worst dungeons I have ever experienced in an MMO. There are a number of reason why I dislike them, but mostly because of how their quests work. Putting full quest featuring important characters into dungeons when the community just speed rushes and burns anyone who wants to actually listen and appreciate the story is mindlessly stupid and why they keep doing it is beyond me. I would say the FFXIv ones are more replayable, for gear you can actually use, tokens, and even minion farming. ESO you only need to do them if a Pledge comes up, and even then much of the dungeon side of the game is ignorable.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Analogy isn't perfect, but the feeling is all the same to me tbh.

You have a point with WoW - It's easier to make your own fun over there, unless it has to do with housing. So where WoW allows more engaging self-made content, XIV provides avenue for environmental self-made content. I wish we had both..

So the problem with XIV locking housing out from people with FOMO, makes it even worse. If everyone had the ability to have a full house, or their own island instance with inside/outside furnishing + garden.. We'd be in a better place.

Watching the Savage World Race, they were talking with a WoW player about the type of content WoW players make for themselves, and how they can be competitive in their own way, like dungeon running. But admitted that things like that are basically impossible with XIV. The best we can do is maybe POTD races, and of course Savage / Ultimate.

Youd actually be surprised at the amount of decorating people do to their apartments. And now with outdoor furnishing being usable by those even lacking houses its a step in the right direction. But Housing is just one thing in this game.

Did you know that theres a dedicated group of people that run weekly/daily Eureka/Bozja raid runs? They even come up with different ways to do the content with their "meme" runs. Its actually surprising how theres people that care about that old content.

So to say that FFXIV lacks it, is a bit disingenous. Im not saying we dont need more content but to a lot of people it seems like they feel fine with staying subbed. Im normally seeing only the loud announcing their disenjoyment because they failed to find something else to do in the game. And thats fine but I dont think thats the game's problem. At least not fully.

The game is still going to be here whether they like it or not.

[R041]

Youd actually be surprised at the amount of decorating people do to their apartments. And now with outdoor furnishing being usable by those even lacking houses its a step in the right direction. But Housing is just one thing in this game.

Did you know that theres a dedicated group of people that run weekly/daily Eureka/Bozja raid runs? They even come up with different ways to do the content with their "meme" runs. Its actually surprising how theres people that care about that old content.

So to say that FFXIV lacks it, is a bit disingenous. Im not saying we dont need more content but to a lot of people it seems like they feel fine with staying subbed. Im normally seeing only the loud announcing their disenjoyment because they failed to find something else to do in the game. And thats fine but I dont think thats the game's problem. At least not fully.

The game is still going to be here whether they like it or not.

I don't think it's disingenuous, you tell a sprout they gotta beat Endwalker before they can even use their outside furniture. Haha

We're going in the right direction, but we have to be honest - It's still FOMO.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I don't think it's disingenuous, you tell a sprout they gotta beat Endwalker before they can even use their outside furniture. Haha

We're going in the right direction, but we have to be honest - It's still FOMO.

I didnt realize you lose your island after a certain period of time.