Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Nestama]

Funnily enough, people should want these kind of ears, since it would allow for easier placement of hats (or rather lessen an excuse for not having them). Although, I doubt SE would do that in any case, since they would still have to do hat hair.

Hrothgar ears are fine where they are, though. We all know most players do not care if X clips through gear. Also, Hrothgar ears clipping through hats would look way less awkward than Viera ears.
Honestly, I think the reason SE don't just throw hats onto Hrothgar willy-nilly is because each face is shaped differently in some places and would leave gaps that would make the hat look weird probably maybe.

Still wouldn't care, just lemme wear more hats.

[SturmChurro]

Hrothgar ears are fine where they are, though. We all know most players do not care if X clips through gear. Also, Hrothgar ears clipping through hats would look way less awkward than Viera ears.
Honestly, I think the reason SE don't just throw hats onto Hrothgar willy-nilly is because each face is shaped differently in some places and would leave gaps that would make the hat look weird probably maybe.

Still wouldn't care, just lemme wear more hats.

That post was more of a joke. SE would probably just cut off their ears regardless, like miqo'te, if they actually were to do hats.

"Face shape" is the reason given by them, but if they really wanted to, you'd think they could slightly adjust where needed, and make hat hair.

[Karowolus]

Frankly... I ain't contributed much to this.

But from my knowledge, ppl are split into 2 Camps.

You have the camp that wants a more Dainty race similar to Miqo'te

And the camp that wants a larger more Femroe-esque physique.

Frankly, I'm of the latter, whilst I'm all for Sexual Dimorphism. We don't want another case of Au-Ra.

Were the devs to go with the option to basically just make a big burly Miqo'te... I think honestly it would just be an absolute waste of resources; what's the point? You're just making a Taller Miqo'te?

For the Males to be Bestial and the females to be more humanoid without a snout; Honestly at that point, it wouldn't be a Hrothgar.

Hrothgar are based off of the Ronso. And both male and Female Ronso are Bestial. Unlike Male Viera; which never had any ingame mentions or pretense; they were only ever mentioned in the FF12 Ultimania. That's it. And it's only mention is in reference to them living apart from Female Viera; it boils down to 'They Exist; but good luck seeing one'. The FFXIV design is completely original and only based on one bit of concept art from HW. And even then. That 'Male Viera' had far more bulk to them than what we got.

We KNOW what Female Ronso look like, We know that Hrothgar are inherently based upon Ronso.

Whilst Female Hrothgar are generally protected. It is unwise to take a 'Protected' Archetype and automatically assume them to be weak and dainty. The Hrothgar are QUEENS, not Princesses.

Whilst Beast-Like designs for female characters are generally not well received... What's to stop SE from trying to break the mold?

[RyuDragnier]

Whilst Female Hrothgar are generally protected. It is unwise to take a 'Protected' Archetype and automatically assume them to be weak and dainty. The Hrothgar are QUEENS, not Princesses.

Guards: "Oh you think we're here to protect the Queen from you? You poor soul...we're here to protect YOU from the Queen!"

[Pip_Chick]

Frankly... I ain't contributed much to this.

But from my knowledge, ppl are split into 2 Camps.

You have the camp that wants a more Dainty race similar to Miqo'te

And the camp that wants a larger more Femroe-esque physique.

Frankly, I'm of the latter, whilst I'm all for Sexual Dimorphism. We don't want another case of Au-Ra.

Were the devs to go with the option to basically just make a big burly Miqo'te... I think honestly it would just be an absolute waste of resources; what's the point? You're just making a Taller Miqo'te?

For the Males to be Bestial and the females to be more humanoid without a snout; Honestly at that point, it wouldn't be a Hrothgar.

Hrothgar are based off of the Ronso. And both male and Female Ronso are Bestial. Unlike Male Viera; which never had any ingame mentions or pretense; they were only ever mentioned in the FF12 Ultimania. That's it. And it's only mention is in reference to them living apart from Female Viera; it boils down to 'They Exist; but good luck seeing one'. The FFXIV design is completely original and only based on one bit of concept art from HW. And even then. That 'Male Viera' had far more bulk to them than what we got.

We KNOW what Female Ronso look like, We know that Hrothgar are inherently based upon Ronso.

Whilst Female Hrothgar are generally protected. It is unwise to take a 'Protected' Archetype and automatically assume them to be weak and dainty. The Hrothgar are QUEENS, not Princesses.

Whilst Beast-Like designs for female characters are generally not well received... What's to stop SE from trying to break the mold?

100% this. Female Hrothgar should be just as bestial and fierce as the males. Someone said a few pages back that they envisioned Female Hrothgar as being very calm and collected at first glance, but they tend to go into an "Insane mode" from now and then. Personally, I think that would be how I imagine their personality to be. As for appearance, I am a simple Hrothgar wanter, give me a blue female Ronso and I will be happy.

[Pip_Chick]

Guards: "Oh you think we're here to protect the Queen from you? You poor soul...we're here to protect YOU from the Queen!"

Guard 1: (whispers) Hey, did you see the Queen recently?
Guard 2: (whispers) Yeah, I think she might have put on some weight...
Queen: (Bursts through the wall, locking eye contact with the guards): You f@king what, mate!?

[GTK0HLK]

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Yeah, Whilst those Leaning Heavily Miqote are generally a Extreme Minority when looking at the forum users..,(Specifically one, that already is)

While the Rest Generally lay on the Match the Race Side.

I personally do not mind Dimorphism like that of some Species. <I am/My Main is A Min-Height Au Ra after all..,>

But it just wouldn't fit with Hrothgars at all.
[We can probably rehash all that we want, but this has been gone over awhile ago.., back when more People frequented here actively.
Whilst inadvertently draw in those who felt scorned by their qote hill.]
(I feel Like Very Few would let it slide if the females were 1in/couple of mm taller than the males. or rephrase, they wouldn't bat an eye, though would be perfectly happy with equal heights)

It'll probably stretch long if we went over Shapely/Bulky/Tall-Lean.

So unless we all wanna share Fan Arts, or the Potential Proto/Sketch/Samples/etc again.

We don't have much to go over any more.
Unless someone wants to peer over at other Regions/Languages Threads and Gather their thoughts. To imagine if SE will take more from their perspectives or here.

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In the end/Either way..,
Here's to a hopefully Happy Complete Race in the Future.

Depending on where we go, and how many have decided to put their hopes on.
The potential of Light Clothing is higher. But I don't put my stocks on the south.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Guards: "Oh you think we're here to protect the Queen from you? You poor soul...we're here to protect YOU from the Queen!"

The Queens Guards arn't here as a Display of her Power
They are here to keep her Power in Check.
If they weren't here, her Limiter would be Shattered and she'd go on a Full Unfettered Rampage.

Whilst Beast-Like designs for female characters are generally not well received... What's to stop SE from trying to break the mold?

They NEED to break that Mold.
We need to stop being afraid of Embracing Beauty in different Forms.
Regardless of how small the fan/playerbase is, its still money to feed the Machine, and its still a Demographic worth appealing to.

Also, Shoutout to Aak in your Signature. <3

[LinaAkayomi]

They NEED to break that Mold.
We need to stop being afraid of Embracing Beauty in different Forms.
Regardless of how small the fan/playerbase is, its still money to feed the Machine, and its still a Demographic worth appealing to.

See, here's the problem. We gotta keep in mind this is mainly a Japanese MMO, very heavily influenced by their designs and ideas, and since most of the dev team is Japanese, they'll most likely cater to Japanese audiences.
This is not to say that our ideas are completely ignored, far from it! They're one of the best dev teams out there when it comes to listening to their community, in my opinion. But still, you can clearly see their aesthetic choices and whatnot in their designs. While I agree with what you say, we say this from our culture with our ideas of beauty and whatnot.

What I'm trying to say with this is: They need to please very different kinds of people, and as such, they'll go for the most tame, middle ground option they can. I don't say this to talk down on them, it's just how things are, it's the most logical business practice.

So don't expect anything too risky or too extravagant.

[Allegor]

See, here's the problem. We gotta keep in mind this is mainly a Japanese MMO, very heavily influenced by their designs and ideas, and since most of the dev team is Japanese, they'll most likely cater to Japanese audiences.
This is not to say that our ideas are completely ignored, far from it! They're one of the best dev teams out there when it comes to listening to their community, in my opinion. But still, you can clearly see their aesthetic choices and whatnot in their designs. While I agree with what you say, we say this from our culture with our ideas of beauty and whatnot.

What I'm trying to say with this is: They need to please very different kinds of people, and as such, they'll go for the most tame, middle ground option they can. I don't say this to talk down on them, it's just how things are, it's the most logical business practice.

So don't expect anything too risky or too extravagant.

You're not wrong, generally speaking, but they've already defied their own cultural status quo by un-genderlocking a lot of glamours, for example, and as Yoshi-P himself said (don't have the quote at hand, if anyone else could link it) Hrothgars were made for more diversity in the roster, regardless of popularity, meaning the race existing is already 'breaking the mold' - whether they stay true to their word or not is what's yet to be seen, considering how the male Hroths have been practically neglected treated thus far for being too difficult/unconventional to work with.

In other words, it's less "they're Japanese/another culture" and more "this specific group of people likes to cut corners."