Why telling people to unsub is a horrible defense of the game.

[Ayche]

"Just quit" is the ultimatum.
I guess it depends on how tired people are debating whether if game was better it would be better. Eventually you get frustrated and want the other person to make up their minds if the game is too bad to play or are they just miserating.
Of course that is harsh, but that is the point.

[Kes13a]

While I understand all that, maybe let the people make their own decisions? It comes off as actively hostile towards discussion when people just yell at you to unsub.

I agree. I would never tell someone to unsub, I may question why they are still paying for a sub for something they hate, its their money they are wasting. its a personal choice.

I grew to hate playing WoW, but it still took me a while to make the choice to stop paying them. it was too long, and I will never go back no matter what they do. thats a personal experience lesson. if you really actually do care about the game, dont wait until its too late to leave. leave while you still have some good thoughts about the game, that way you can easily come back if it does indeed, one day change to your liking. otherwise all you are doing is wasting money you could spend somewhere else.

gaming is supposed to be entertainment, and mostly importantly fun.if its not that.. why stay? some people with the complaints I cannot see as having any fun recently, at all. staying is not healthy at that point. yes, its a personal choice, but sometimes you really do need to put the idea out there, and certainly in a nicer way than "just unsub" which is akin to "go die in a fire"

[Jojoya]

How many times do people need to post that same screenshot of Yoshida pointing out that criticism is worth twice a compliment before you finally get it?

That criticism is only worth twice the compliment if the criticism gives detail about what the customer feels was bad. Saying things like

IT'S THE CONTENT STRUCTURE.

isn't helpful. Exactly what is wrong with the content structure? Not looking for a response here, of course, just trying to say without giving details vague statements like that accomplish nothing.

As Iyrnthota said, it's the people who give the "game is dying, nothing to do, no longevity" comments that are mainly getting the "then why don't you unsub" responses. Maybe they've given constructive feedback elsewhere but they aren't in the threads where they're being told to unsub.

It doesn't change the value of "if you are unhappy, then unsub for a while" as advice. Once you've given your constructive feedback, repeating it isn't going to get things to change overnight. It takes time. Why keep spending the money while you wait for change to happen if you won't be playing?

If you're concerned about a house you own, you can still unsub for 6 weeks then resub so you can enter your house to reset the timer. If necessary, repeat. Or you can let it go and worry about getting another house later if the game ever returns to a state you are interested in. That's a fair amount of money being spent to keep a house in a game that you may never like again depending on what decisions the developers make.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

saying "just quit" is not feedback no.

I mean, not paying any more money or playing the game is feedback.

Look at WoW. Millions quit, so they're desperately implementing a lot of the feedback (that was ignored) during BFA/SL and rushing to add it into DF so that the next expansion will be a hit. As they said Dragonflight sub numbers are far lower than expected, but retention is higher. After the Overwatch 2 controversy and Diablo 4 looking like it'll be microtransaction filled and p2w (Players can just buy the Battle pass steps with $$ instead of playing the game), Blizzard has to double down hard in making WoW better as they cannot afford for the next expansion to be dismal.

If enough people are dissatisfied with FF14 and just stop playing/quit then the changes you want might happen. If not, then you lose nothing as you won't be playing/paying anymore.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

No battlegrounds?!?! I wonder how they ever survive with so few battlegr- Oh... Wait a second... We're actually losing one of our battlegrounds, with no replacement or changes forthcoming.

WoW PvP is far from being perfect, but they have *too* much balancing to do, not only with keeping classes balanced, but also gearing/trinkets. I still find it fun however, unlike XIV. XIV PvP has a lot of potential, it's just consistently thrown in the trash with the communities feedback as they continously make nonsensical changes that don't address any of our problems, and they have no excuses for it because unlike wow they only have at most 8 abilities to balance per job, and they don't need to worry about gear imbalance.

Besides, WoW has more then just Battlegrounds. Open world pvp, Arena, Dueling, raiding major cities, battlegrounds, ect. Quick and dirty Arena matches in XIV? I'd love that, even with the crappy job balancing. I'd love for them to steal game modes, and maps from other MMO's. Gives us something to do besides bang our heads against the wall when we see patchnotes.

WoW PvP wouldn't be dead if they just sync'd everyone to a more fair level. However, doing that would kill the gear grind and take away the fantasy of geared players owning entire battlegrounds by themselves due to gear and unbalanced classes.


Open World PvP is dead in WoW. PvP servers are just gankfests/ganging up on players minding their business. Not to mention with Dragonflight, it's very easy to just... avoid PvP, which players do on PvP servers unless they have an unfair advantage or numbers on their side. That's why almost all PvP servers are either massively in favor of one faction over the other - population-wise.

Dueling isn't a big thing anymore due to classes being unbalanced. No one wants to duel, say... a Ret Paladin, as they will destroy nearly every class in 1 vs 1.

No one raids major cities anymore. I haven't seen a Major city raided since Classic to Cataclysm. With everyone in Valdrakken, why would anyone attack Orgrimmar or Stormwind? Not to mention that the gear/rep/M+ grind takes up a LOT of time, so players aren't just gonna group up anymore and raid a Major City when they get nothing out of it. Not to mention that being able to Fly kills the spirit of City Raids too.

They haven't gotten a new Battleground in YEARS. Let that sink in. Not to mention that Battlegrounds are extremely unbalanced and after the first week, they're just a place for overgeared players to farm honor off less geared players.

Arena? The population doing arena has dropped drastically as players would rather farm World Quests, Raid, or do the toxic M+ gameplay. Very few seriously play Arena anymore, most are just buying carries which Blizzard allows in Trade Chat. M+ and Raids can have carries sold in Trade chat too, as this promotes players buying WoW Tokens to afford it. That's why Blizzard no longer bans carries and let's them be openly advertised.

No, I wouldn't want any of that in FF14.

[ZephyrMenodora]

This so much. It's like people have some obsessive compulsion to jump in every thread to parrot the same thing, yelling at people to unsub. It's none of your business when people feel the need to sub or unsub that's their own decision to make. People are allowed to voice their opinions, all you people are doing is stifle discussion and discourage leaving feedback.

No one is yelling. You have yelled though when you typed in all caps, so maybe some projection here? I have noticed a trend towards projection here.

No one thinks they can "dictate" to you, force you to unsub, or make decisions for you.

People are allowed to voice their opinions, we agree, including people who think unsubbing can be a healthy option, helpful advice, and something we would do ourselves.

No one truly cares what you do with your money. If you continue to spend it here, I thank you. I enjoy the game and love to see it succeed.

[Atelier-Bagur]

saying "just quit" is not feedback no.

It kinda is. You are literally stopping from spending anymore money to a game that you felt doesnt meet your standards.

Money absolutely talks and if more people like you actually put your money where your mouth is, then maybe you'll get what you want someday. Otherwise you're an annoying hypocrite for continuing to play this game if the majority of the time you spend on it is you hating on everything.

[BaconBits]

Treat each other like adults man. Like we all people here.

[RitsukoSonoda]

The purpose of playing a game is to enjoy the game. At the same time you aren't likely to find a game that doesn't have some aspect to it you don't like. It's just a matter of how impactful or noticeable that aspect is. Currently FFXIV is a game I still get enjoyment out of playing. However the game's changes and direction have caused it to no longer be considered an MMORPG in my opinion as it seems more focused on becoming something more akin to Sims with chances to kill things while watching an interactive movie as they've proceeded to delete the need to learn how to play the game by dumbing down nearly all the content and continued to strip the game of things related to being an RPG. As such I tend to clear the new content then move on to other titles playing the game minimally as of late because the "new" duties don't really feel that new even on the first clear.

However if you're one of those people that genuinely hates the game but still forces yourself to play it anyway then that would be a situation where I'd say just unsub and move on because you're either being stupid or you're a masochist who's goal is your own suffering. In which case with the latter they wouldn't be on here complaining and saying the game is dead etc because they're getting what they want anyway.

[Shinkuno]

WoW PvP wouldn't be dead if they just sync'd everyone to a more fair level. However, doing that would kill the gear grind and take away the fantasy of geared players owning entire battlegrounds by themselves due to gear and unbalanced classes.


Open World PvP is dead in WoW. PvP servers are just gankfests/ganging up on players minding their business. Not to mention with Dragonflight, it's very easy to just... avoid PvP, which players do on PvP servers unless they have an unfair advantage or numbers on their side. That's why almost all PvP servers are either massively in favor of one faction over the other - population-wise.

Dueling isn't a big thing anymore due to classes being unbalanced. No one wants to duel, say... a Ret Paladin, as they will destroy nearly every class in 1 vs 1.

No one raids major cities anymore. I haven't seen a Major city raided since Classic to Cataclysm. With everyone in Valdrakken, why would anyone attack Orgrimmar or Stormwind? Not to mention that the gear/rep/M+ grind takes up a LOT of time, so players aren't just gonna group up anymore and raid a Major City when they get nothing out of it. Not to mention that being able to Fly kills the spirit of City Raids too.

They haven't gotten a new Battleground in YEARS. Let that sink in. Not to mention that Battlegrounds are extremely unbalanced and after the first week, they're just a place for overgeared players to farm honor off less geared players.

Arena? The population doing arena has dropped drastically as players would rather farm World Quests, Raid, or do the toxic M+ gameplay. Very few seriously play Arena anymore, most are just buying carries which Blizzard allows in Trade Chat. M+ and Raids can have carries sold in Trade chat too, as this promotes players buying WoW Tokens to afford it. That's why Blizzard no longer bans carries and let's them be openly advertised.

No, I wouldn't want any of that in FF14.

How to spot someone that didnt play WoW in years? He still talks about PvP Servers. They dont exist anymore outside classic. Dont know why you guys always come to the defense of the game with "but WoW bad" and then drop incorrect stuff that makes you look like a fool?