TOP cleared with no healers

[ZephyrMenodora]

/sigh

Why was there a Tank shortage in SB?

...and NOT in ShB?

EDIT:



I wasn't talking "authoritative", good god.

I was saying that looking at the Aion classes, one seemed to be a focused Healer, two seemed to have some Healing but were more Support roles, and one seemed to be...not a Healer at all. Moreover, the person saying the Healer "and support" (their own term) roles were the majority never provided data to support that conclusion anyway, nor which classes they were calling "Healers" for the purpose of that argument.

You invented the idea that I was definitively saying what they were, despite my post saying things like "seems like", and instead of saying "Well, here's how they played and what they actually did", you chose to be disparaging instead. Moreover, it sounds like reading your response, that my initial conclusions were fairly accurate.

"did not play at all like" - okay, so what FFXIV Job DID Chanter play like? If the answer is "well, none of them", then the comparison in the first place is meaningless and unhelpful.

Which FFXIV Job DID Chanter play like?

If the answer is none of them, what is the CLOSEST?

Which FFXIV Job does Songweaver play like?

If the answer is none of them, what is the CLOSEST?

Did Cleric even play like any FFXIV Job? If so, which? If not, which is CLOSEST?

Chanter would be like a melee bard with backup heals. Mid tier damage at melee range but constant modest buffs on your party. The backup heals were strong if you took those skills but not good enough to heal top content alone. Not great if they went into more dps. They had to choose.

Think Bard in EQ2 if you ever played that. But with more heals and less impressive buffs. Chanter was the only support class at launch and I think was their version of bard at the time.

Cleric would be White Mage. It was the only pure healer. They did bad damage in heal specs and gear but could do amazing damage in dps spec and gear. They had to drop big heals for big damage.

Clerics were versatile and often viewed as OP. They were one of the few classes that could solo harder content that other classes could not so it attracted a lot of that type of player. Plus they were always needed and in demand. Some groups would even take two clerics.

Some people played song weaver like a Red Mage (I guess?) Or you could say XIv Bard with better heals and cc. They could also choose to spec for more damage or more support. They had a good amount of healing and defensive buffs if they choose that path. They also could do strong burst damage if they chose those skills.

What makes Aion interesting is most classes had two specs so the same class felt a but different as you didn’t have your full kit at all times. You had to pick between a certain number of interchangeable skills which changed a lot of what the class could do.

[Renathras]

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Ah, the usual Deceptus Gish Gallop.

Did you notice, by chance, where I pointed out the level 70-90 number should be used? Did you notice WHERE I SAID WHY? What was the reason I gave? Perhaps you might notice that's also why I didn't make a "Only max level counts" argument. Perhaps you should try reading people's posts instead of saying they're "Gish Gallop", not reading them, and putting your foot in your mouth when responding inappropriately.

Chanter would be like a melee bard with backup heals.

So like RDM if Embolden was more consistently up?

Cleric would be White Mage. It was the only pure healer. They did bad damage in heal specs and gear but could do amazing damage in dps spec and gear. They had to drop big heals for big damage.

Clerics were versatile and often viewed as OP. They were one of the few classes that could solo harder content that other classes could not so it attracted a lot of that type of player. Plus they were always needed and in demand. Some groups would even take two clerics.

Hm. Doesn't sound like there are any FFXIV Jobs like that. RDM has been used like that in the past (soloing old content) along with PLD, but neither can really be speced into doing great Healing, and PLD can't do great damage...and RDM does (for DPS Jobs) relatively low damage.

Sounds like the Aion classes aren't very comparable to FFXIV Jobs due to the spec system, kinda like how WoW classes can't really be compared to FFXIV Jobs, you have to talk about the individual specs (e.g. Holy Priest compared to White Mage as opposed to WoW Priest compared directly)?

[IDontPetLalas]

Chanter would be like a melee bard with backup heals. Mid tier damage at melee range but constant modest buffs on your party. The backup heals were strong if you took those skills but not good enough to heal top content alone. Not great if they went into more dps. They had to choose.

Think Bard in EQ2 if you ever played that. But with more heals and less impressive buffs. Chanter was the only support class at launch and I think was their version of bard at the time.

Cleric would be White Mage. It was the only pure healer. They did bad damage in heal specs and gear but could do amazing damage in dps spec and gear. They had to drop big heals for big damage.

Clerics were versatile and often viewed as OP. They were one of the few classes that could solo harder content that other classes could not so it attracted a lot of that type of player. Plus they were always needed and in demand. Some groups would even take two clerics.

Some people played song weaver like a Red Mage (I guess?) Or you could say XIv Bard with better heals and cc. They could also choose to spec for more damage or more support. They had a good amount of healing and defensive buffs if they choose that path. They also could do strong burst damage if they chose those skills.

What makes Aion interesting is most classes had two specs so the same class felt a but different as you didn’t have your full kit at all times. You had to pick between a certain number of interchangeable skills which changed a lot of what the class could do.

That's an excellent summary, I would only add that in some classes, including cleric, a hybrid spec was also viable depending upon the content. Also in that game , their was no jobstone, so if we stick to cleric for the moment, there were a lot of options for spec and gear if a cleric wanted to go DPS spec - that could be used for group or solo PVE/PvP content typically in a cloth set with a specific type of staff , but a cleric could also use a mace and shield with chain for healing in a heal spec in PvE and PvP, or could use a hybrid spec with cloth or chain for healing in PvE in some group content AND for some solo content DPS.

There's other options as said before. clerics were one of classes in Aon that had the most gear sets if someone really was serious about PvE and PvP.

[ZephyrMenodora]

That's an excellent summary, I would only add that in some classes, including cleric, a hybrid spec was also viable depending upon the content. Also in that game , their was no jobstone, so if we stick to cleric for the moment, there were a lot of options for spec and gear if a cleric wanted to go DPS spec - that could be used for group or solo PVE/PvP content typically in a cloth set with a specific type of staff , but a cleric could also use a mace and shield with chain for healing in a heal spec in PvE and PvP, or could use a hybrid spec with cloth or chain for healing in PvE in some group content AND for some solo content DPS.

There's other options as said before. clerics were one of classes in Aon that had the most gear sets if someone really was serious about PvE and PvP.

This makes me nostalgic for how much customization I had as a cleric. I loved it and had a set for everything! Here there isn’t too much point to having multiple gear sets for one job and it’s all so standardized.