TOP cleared with no healers

[ForteNightshade]

/sigh

Why was there a Tank shortage in SB?

...and NOT in ShB?

There wasn't.

The tank popular has more or less remained the same throughout all the expansions. Shadowbringers show a spike upwards because of Gunbreaker being the new hotness just like Sage did for Endwalker. New jobs will always spike role population.

You're "/sighing" despite making a bunch of baseless nonsense you provided zero evidence for but still stated as fact. What even is this?

[Renathras]

There wasn't.

The tank popular has more or less remained the same throughout all the expansions. Shadowbringers show a spike upwards because of Gunbreaker being the new hotness just like Sage did for Endwalker. New jobs will always spike role population.

You're "/sighing" despite making a bunch of baseless nonsense you provided zero evidence for but still stated as fact. What even is this?

Wait, so your argument is that there was never a Tank shortage at all in SB?

Interesting...

My sighing is because you demand evidence that, 5-6 years on, is very difficult to find. Doing some searches, I can't even find Yoshi P's original Q/A statements on Gunbreaker at all, just tons of random internet chatter about it (being a DPS playstyle, btw). SGE playing like a DPS, despite being much more recent, is also difficult to find an original source for. The reason I'm /sighing is because it's something people have talked about for literally years - both the Tank shortage and GNB's purpose - but you're asking for something specific that is very difficult to find, which I suspect you know it is, despite it showing you would be wrong with an overly hyperbolic statement you made that you pulled out of your butt.

You're trying to put the onus on me to prove Yoshi P every said anything about wanting people to play Tanks when you were the one that introduced the claim he hadn't done so in 10 years. Baseless nonsense you completely made up and provided zero evidence for but stated as fact. What even is this?

Can you prove your statement? Specifically, can you prove:

Notice how in nearly a decade, he hasn't come out asking players to play tanks.

This is a baseless statement you made and have stated as a fact without evidence. Can you prove it? What even is this?

[ty_taurus]

SGE playing like a DPS, despite being much more recent, is also difficult to find an original source for.

I found a source in about 2 minutes or so... There are probably other examples to. Here's the link: https://youtu.be/8_mdi8RMbRk?t=1236

"Our thought process behind Sage was where we looked at what the players were demanding. And we had a lot of demands come in from the players who go into high-end content. For example, raids and such. And those types of players, they were playing healers, but they wanted more opportunities to attack the enemy rather than just healing... So, based on that, we thought, 'Ok, what can we do?' So we designed Sage so that the Sage can attack and then can also heal or have a barrier effect on another player."

There's more to that quote. He's ultimate describing Kardia as a system, although you can't actually apply barriers through Kardia so I'm assuming that was something it could do during the conception of the job and they took that away for some reason. After that quote, there's also a reference to Toxikon that you can earn for when the barrier runs out. Now, Addersting isn't anything close to a desirable resource that you actively care to generate unlike the Blood Lilly, but that made me think about something interesting.

We could just say that SE was tone deaf to Toxikon being a 100% DPS loss to actively generate, which isn't unbelievable giving Misery sat at a 25% DPS loss for nearly 2.5 years, but if Sage actually did have a way to apply a barrier through Kardia at some point during its development, what if that barrier breaking also gave you Addersting? That's exactly how it works in PVP, and that's a system that actually makes a lot of sense. Your DoT also generates a barrier that gives you a mobility resource, but because it's your DoT you don't spam it to generate Addersting constantly and it would give you an actually worthwhile stream of Addersting stacks throughout the course of a fight even if it stays the same potency as Dosis. But that's all speculation. Honestly a lot of healer-related potency issues get completely overlooked even when they're blatantly obvious. Toxikon's potency doesn't increase at level 72, so Toxikon is weirdly even worse between 72 and 82, and similarly Afflatus Misery is just a flat 1240 potency, so it's a 40 potency net positive between 74 and 82 for WHM as well. Really easy things to fix that continue to go completely under the radar.

[Deceptus]

We could just say that SE was tone deaf to Toxikon being a 100% DPS loss to actively generate, which isn't unbelievable giving Misery sat at a 25% DPS loss for nearly 2.5 years, but if Sage actually did have a way to apply a barrier through Kardia at some point during its development, what if that barrier breaking also gave you Addersting? That's exactly how it works in PVP, and that's a system that actually makes a lot of sense. Your DoT also generates a barrier that gives you a mobility resource, but because it's your DoT you don't spam it to generate Addersting constantly and it would give you an actually worthwhile stream of Addersting stacks throughout the course of a fight even if it stays the same potency as Dosis. But that's all speculation. Honestly a lot of healer-related potency issues get completely overlooked even when they're blatantly obvious. Toxikon's potency doesn't increase at level 72, so Toxikon is weirdly even worse between 72 and 82, and similarly Afflatus Misery is just a flat 1240 potency, so it's a 40 potency net positive between 74 and 82 for WHM as well. Really easy things to fix that continue to go completely under the radar.

This is the same developers who, at 6.1 , made Aero II and Dia the exact same potency (making Dia a useless "upgrade)



The same Devs who made SCH Art of War the exact same potency as the Ruin filler spell despite Art of War being instant and a full strength AoE. There is literally no reason to cast Ruin from lvl 46 to lvl 54 when you get Broil.

Basic math doesn't seem to be their strong suit, and neither does having QA look at potential changes. Something like that would have easily been caught in pre patch notes or a public test realm but since CBU3 has decided not to release info anymore early we couldn't catch it for them.

[Crushnight]

The same devs who let Diurnal Sect on Ast be completely useless for 4 levels in ShB(lv30-33) before you got something that it actually affected (aspected Benefic at lv34), it was a stupidly easy fix to swap something else or to give diurnal with aspected Benefic but no it took until EW to sort it out.

[Arkdra]

There wasn't.

The tank popular has more or less remained the same throughout all the expansions. Shadowbringers show a spike upwards because of Gunbreaker being the new hotness just like Sage did for Endwalker. New jobs will always spike role population.

You're "/sighing" despite making a bunch of baseless nonsense you provided zero evidence for but still stated as fact. What even is this?

If you've got actual numbers, post them please! Legitimately interested because as best as I can tell, healers overcame tanks in shb as being most in need and that never recovered, but my only basis for this is highly anecdotal roulette queue times. My heal queues are almost always instant and my tank queues are almost always 2-5 minutes and pre-shb this was the opposite.