Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[ty_taurus]

With discussions from Friends/Raiding-Discords/The Balance to just go play Ultimate with being open to seeing any simplifications as a good thing to give Dev's breathing room to create new better mechanics. A load of horse(beep) as I said is an empty promise. Select few Parsers being loud against anything RNG is nothing new either nor anything that gets in the way of their precious parse is a good thing to remove, though I never said " All ", but plenty enough in discussions I had. The 2 min meta has been egregiously shoved down our throats which has been noted numerous times, but there's no sign of Square moving away from this direction either.

Moving away from the 2 minute meta seems to me like something that would occur during the transition to a new expansion, and also something that is probably too time intensive to try and balance both the current job balance and encounter design around during one of these midpoint patches, at least based on the types of combat changes we've seen during patches vs entire expansions. So if that is a change we end up seeing for 7.0, it wouldn't surprise me that we wouldn't really know anything until probably the 7.0 media tour, or the job actions trailer.

Now, I'm not going to make promises or tell you wait and see because it'll all be better in 8 months because I have no idea, but I have a pretty strong feeling that 7.0 is going to be a big make it or break it moment for this game. EW has not been terrible per say, but it has been probably the weakest expansion to date in terms of content and gameplay relatively speaking. There is a lot of criticism not just on the forums, but in a lot of other places--places SE cares more about, like streamer content. Not every streamer is unanimous, but I've seen quite a few who feel that EW has not lived up to its predecessors. SE knows this. Nothing is being said because nothing is set in stone yet on their end, cause SE doesn't like being transparent about anything until there's no going back anyway.

There are some things that I am cautiously optimistic about, and other things that I'm more pessimistic about, but my point is, I don't think we're going to see anything even if there will be sweeping changes until at least September if not longer. By that time, if nothing will change, we will probably hear about "staying the course" as we did with EW not changing much from ShB.

[Payotz]

Moving away from the 2 minute meta seems to me like something that would occur during the transition to a new expansion, and also something that is probably too time intensive to try and balance both the current job balance and encounter design around during one of these midpoint patches, at least based on the types of combat changes we've seen during patches vs entire expansions. So if that is a change we end up seeing for 7.0, it wouldn't surprise me that we wouldn't really know anything until probably the 7.0 media tour, or the job actions trailer.

I don't think you should also be putting hope into people like that. They've clearly been full steam ahead with their whole philosophy.
Hell they have too much of an ego to admit they've made a mistake, so pretty sure you guys will still have the 2 mins meta until the servers shut down.



They know a lot of people want more complex jobs, but they clearly don't because they want to cater to new players.

I've said it in another thread, and I'll say it here. If you're tired of the PvE or PvP vision that Yoshida is championing, then I'd start looking for a new game. Treat this game like a Gaia Online, and don't put too much of an investment into this game if you want to do any meaningful PvE. Just sub every now and then to flirt with your favourite catgirl or something idk.

[ty_taurus]

I don't think you should also be putting hope into people like that. They've clearly been full steam ahead with their whole philosophy.
Hell they have too much of an ego to admit they've made a mistake, so pretty sure you guys will still have the 2 mins meta until the servers shut down.



They know a lot of people want more complex jobs, but they clearly don't because they want to cater to new players.

I've said it in another thread, and I'll say it here. If you're tired of the PvE or PvP vision that Yoshida is championing, then I'd start looking for a new game. Treat this game like a Gaia Online, and don't put too much of an investment into this game if you want to do any meaningful PvE. Just sub every now and then to flirt with your favourite catgirl or something idk.

Then they'll crash and the ship will sink. If you aren't' happy with the game, then I agree. Cancel your sub and play something else until when or if the game changes in a way you like. That's sound advice for anyone invested in a live service game, and I deeply encourage it. Or if you enjoy the game but not one aspect, don't engage in that aspect. If you are unhappy with the state of healers, do not use the DF as one at all, even for a cheap and easy queue. All I'm saying is, if they are planning on making changes in the next expansion, like how past expansions have introduced change, not a word of that will be spoken until the first major live letter for 7.0, and until then, they will only promote and support the way the game is now. That's just how SE is, and I think it's very unhealthy marketing quite frankly, but that's ultimately not up to me. Does that mean positive changes will come? No, but I also wouldn't recommend anticipating any word of positive changes for 6.41, .45, .48, or anything in the 6.5 realm even if we knew for a fact that 7.0 would be different.

In other words, if you're unhappy, unsub, or ignore whatever elements you are unhappy with. If you decide to take a break, tune back in during the 7.0 live letter and see what happens. That will be when we know how they plan to address the criticism, if at all. If it doesn't go our way, then maybe it is time to leave. That's a choice each of us has to make for ourselves of course.