Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
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Far from it, I've already said there's plenty of good practical advice there. But when your first thought with a bunch of new players who are friends looking to try Savage is to immediately get them on the dummy for DPS checks - which feels like a quick way to foster self-doubt and kill off enthusiasm - and advising OP in the event of "drop offs" I feel like you've already forgotten what actually matters to some people. Likewise, what you consider saving yourself a "waste of time" could still be a worthwhile and enjoyable experience for others even if it doesn't play out the way they hoped. It does come off as cold and unnecessarily procedural to me, regardless of whether that offends you or not, and reminiscent of the attitudes I'm talking about here.

You've also managed to miss where I said they were very interested in Savage and wanted to try, after having grown accustomed to casual endgame - but had adopted the myth you have to be a certain type of player to be able to even attempt it and were nervous about encountering backlash for not immediately meeting certain standards. It takes time to adjust, and easing them into it and enjoying the fights rather than scaring them off with DPS numbers was crucial to breaking through it.

I've been doing Savage long enough to know that it's unfortunately common for raiders to fail to realise approaches they consider effective or practical can come across as callous and potentially hurtful, especially if they've been playing a while. It's a strategy designed for efficiency, but the cynicism (which anyone who has been raiding for any length of time can be prone to) that arises from it can blind you to such obvious facts as this is a game you are playing with others, and that was all I wanted to say. I can't help but feel I've touched a nerve here, and when you phrase it as "railing off against people who seem to have offended me" for pointing out the impact such views can have on the other side of the screen, it doesn't really convince me any of what I've said here is unwarranted.