Ok asking for advice

[Rongway]

In re: Stone, Sky, Sea
Remember that being able to kill the dummy doesn't mean that someone is ready for a real life savage or extreme fight. Failing the dummy means that someone is definitely not ready because they still need to iron out their rotation or upgrade their gear so that they can kill a stationary target with no mechanics. However, being able to kill the dummy doesn't automatically mean that someone can still do a good rotation while handling the savage mechanics. Especially with a group of people new to raiding, you and your friends will need to be patient while people build up the raiding experience not to panic over the mechanics, and at least one of you will need sharp enough eyes and reflexes to understand what went wrong when things go wrong (things absolutely will go wrong sometimes, and that's okay) so that mistakes can get fixed for the next attempt.

Some more self conscious players might get embarrassed over messing up and think the group will do better without them. Disabuse them of that notion quickly. People will find other things to mess up after they're gone; they might as well stick around and also learn from the experience so that when everyone eventually gets it they can share in the victory.

[Mcg55ss]

Finally getting respond to some of these sorry I usually would have been on earlier but work started way more hectic today. As for everybody's concerned about the dummy DPS I played WoW from 05-22 so I'm well aware that what you doing dummy it's not relevant to an actual fight because of mechanics, positionals sometimes even range. However with us not starting again until later into the patch (like I said I have 1 going to visit dad getting out of hospital, 2 going to family in late June, one going on vacation in early July for 2 weeks) I am going to recommend the dummy just so people can practice their rotation and do some self-improvement to get ready for the fights And talking to a group last night we agree starting in EX 1st as a team will probably better for us and learning what we're doing and get us used to handling mechanics. Gear allocation is not an issue, our goals are not an issue because we all agree on what this first tier should be which is mostly us just getting used to raiding and getting more developed in this. I addressed any concerns yesterday most are confident in the group and confident and criticizing each other respectfully and helping each other where we can. We also picked up another member I guess yesterday that wants to go with us and be a part of the group they seem to fit in well and understand where we are they are also another new player they are at the end of SHB now. They also happily want to be part of the FC but are staying in their current one until their level because we don't have the XP buff yet.

[Mcg55ss]

Guys I love that you're being passionate and want to help me, I take everybody's info and positive light and try to see if there's anything I can use. On this note though there's no reason to bicker with each other on what y'all think the best strategy for me is. Each and every person in here that helped in this discussion came to raiding through different means had different experiences both positive and negative and has taken different stuff away from each experience which is why I asked for everybody's advice because collectively you all have more experiences than I have and I could use your experiences to help be a better leader to my group in a game that I'm not familiar with doing this content. However arguing somebody because their experience is different or what you perceive is better is not what they agree with us not necessary because in the end I am the leader and I will decide what I take from this discussion and what I believe is best for my group. I am open for tips suggestions experiences that you had that might better my experience than anything you think that could help us grow and develop more as a cohesive unit. In the end you are just here coming to help me by giving me what you've experienced and what you think would be good to know there's no reason to hate on each other because we don't know what everybody's background is, what they consider for in their static content, what they worked on and clearing (except Dixie as she has multiple Ultimate clears and is obsessed with Ult raiding as far as my knowledge so I assume she is very much on the min/maxing more hardcore side). Thank you for your tips and you're more than open to keep giving them and I appreciate every one of them but don't fight over it there's no reason there's no guarantee I'm going to take their tip there's I'm seeking advice but just because I received some advice doesn't mean I personally agree nor will follow all of it. TY

[Celine_Aurora]

Guys I love that you're being passionate and want to help me, I take everybody's info and positive light and try to see if there's anything I can use. On this note though there's no reason to bicker with each other on what y'all think the best strategy for me is.

I wouldn't worry, we are way past the point where we are posting for you, we are bickering for ourselves and projecting our own issues and convinctions over your situation.

Good luck with your progression, break a leg!

[Ath192]

I wouldn't worry, we are way past the point where we are posting for you, we are bickering for ourselves and projecting our own issues and convinctions over your situation.

Good luck with your progression, break a leg!

his note though there's no reason to bicker with each other on what y'all think the best strategy for me is.

These are the forums. They have to devolve into this. It is the will of the star. But indeed, good luck.

[RyuDragnier]

Best advice I have for people new to Savage and just beaten main story? Do the EXs first, as they can lay the groundwork for what to expect in Savage. Note that there is basically a curve in difficulty when the EXs are done in a certain order, and out of it they can feel a bit random in difficulty. My best suggestion for the first EX to walk into is Zodiark EX, as it's the easiest EX this expansion and can help your team learn the positioning part of harder content along with keeping up your rotations. It has the barebones of what you can expect in the harder content, and is simple enough to where it's possible to do the entire fight following a single person who knows the safe zones for attacks. It's also pretty fun.

[Mcg55ss]

I wouldn't worry, we are way past the point where we are posting for you, we are bickering for ourselves and projecting our own issues and convinctions over your situation.

Good luck with your progression, break a leg!

Eh...I tried to stop the argument but this was an inevitable fear because of everybody's varying level some people would take it far more serious than others and that could lead to arguments due to differing opinions and directions oh well

[Mcg55ss]

Keep your sense of humor. This could be a really great shared struggle helping to form a cohesive group in the long run if everyone can learn to laugh at their mistakes.

I plan on it I'm hoping we can laugh at, each other pick on each others mistakes and have fun without offending each other.

[Lunaxia]

The only chip on the shoulder I have is you misleading people. I've been pretty successful at raiding so far thank you, I'm afraid your advice comes from having people explaining to you what you did wrong and you gaslighting them about how that's not the right approach and how offended you are. That's counter productive.

Whatever fiction helps soothe your clearly wounded ego.

Good luck OP, funnily enough this thread might have been an education in the ways of raiding and what to expect in more ways than one.