Play other games :)

[Atelier-Bagur]

I've never understood the whole "FF14 respects your time" statement at all for exactly the reasons you stated. It makes no sense to me. Freaking WoW, in my view, respects your time more, albeit marginally.

Not when it does it endgame content in "seasons". You dally for too long and you wind up missing it

[Hurlstone]

Negativity being accepted on any level is a fairly recent development, and even now it does tend to result in being mocked and ridiculed regardless of whether or not criticisms are thoughtful and well-written. Bringing this up in turn often results in further mockery and various accusations. And therein lies the problem.

Gonna have to disagree that negativity being accepted is a recent development. From my own experiences here, the negative side of the scales have always been more heavy and vocal here (I still have the scars from early Endwalker debates regarding Venat…) then the positive. Its levels have changed up and down sure over time and years, but I do not think one can accuse this place of being at a level of ‘toxic positivity’ other media sites are.

It is normal to be critical of a product you care about when you see things you feel could be handled better, and putting those thoughts to word is about the only option available other than just throwing in the towel. If you speak ill of any part of the game, there will almost definitely be some posters that roll up to trash you. It's happened enough that people are just tired of it.

I agree criticism is a needed aspect of any media, but to be fair though, the ‘posters that roll up to trash you’ thing often happens if you speak positively of the game too. People have even used the same excuse you say to justify being disrespectful of negative posts, that they are ‘just tired of it.’ You are right that such debates can fall into ‘mockery and various accusations.’ but it is in no way unique to one side either. It would be great if every topic could be well-written and throughout examinations of the game, but in this environment thats near on impossible to carry on past a few pages. Plus when it comes to subjective aspects like story, we are all pushed by our own bias viewpoints.

[BRVV]

I'm self-aware and can also read. Negativity vastly outweighs positivity here, so care to explain who I am not self-aware?

The victimization part probably. Aren't you one of those who cries "you can't even be positive about the game here" while also countering everything with: "you are in the minohritey!" Well guess what: if YOU are in the Mah-Joh-Ra-Tey than YOU are not the "little victim" or whatever you think you are

[NanaWiloh]

Here I'll critize the game
- Make roles unique again
- Make raid dungeons actual dungeons
- Remove telegraphs and add other kinds of visual indicators
- Introduce long quest chains for relic weapons and tools
-Make Relics worth the investment
-More mid tier content
-FIX THE HOUSING SYSTEM
1. Allow alts to share houses for Chirst sake.
2. Allow more tenants
3. Vip list for non tenants so they can enter when the house is locked!!!
- Medium and large apartments!!!
-Improve the blacklist to be account based!!!
-Raise the flight ceiling in ARR zones

[ZephyrMenodora]

The victimization part probably. Aren't you one of those who cries "you can't even be positive about the game here" while also countering everything with: "you are in the minohritey!" Well guess what: if YOU are in the Mah-Joh-Ra-Tey than YOU are not the "little victim" or whatever you think you are

What are you talking about? I never said people I disagree with are the minority. The complaining here is the majority of posters. I've been pretty consistent with this point of view.

There is also a distinction between a being a majority here on the forums (complaining and complaining sympathizers who swarm the few people enjoying the game) and the general playerbase not part of these forums.

Quite simple. You have made repeated inferences that this has in fact always been the case, that critics present themselves as victims, etc. Yet, if you look back at the history of these forums, you will rather quickly realize it is only fairly recently the proverbial tide began to turn. Some posters do still go out of their way to ridicule those whose opinions do not align with their own, but the number engaging in that behavior does seem to have decreased. This is something you dismiss as well, instead behaving as if there is some completely one-sided attack on people that are enjoying the game, despite the vast majority of people bringing forward criticisms doing so in a thoughtful, constructive, inoffensive, and well-mannered way.

I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with your attempt to insult me, which is "self-awareness". You can claim I am not aware of the history of these forums outside the times I'm here, which is true. But that has nothing to do with self-awareness. I also disagree that negativity being widespread is only "fairly recent" unless you consider years of this to be "fairly recent." Also...simply LOL at the majority of people being thoughtful and well-mannered in how they interact here. If you are vocal about enjoying this game, the number of people who ridicule and insult has not decreased whatsoever. I'm insulted every day I post here.

Speaking of actual self-awareness, was it not you who just compalined in the positive thread about being insulted, when that's what you do here? Now THAT is a lack of self-awareness.

[Absimiliard]

I'm self-aware and can also read. Negativity vastly outweighs positivity here, so care to explain who I am not self-aware?

Quite simple. You have made repeated inferences that this has in fact always been the case, that critics present themselves as victims, etc. Yet, if you look back at the history of these forums, you will rather quickly realize it is only fairly recently the proverbial tide began to turn. Some posters do still go out of their way to ridicule those whose opinions do not align with their own, but the number engaging in that behavior does seem to have decreased. This is something you dismiss as well, instead behaving as if there is some completely one-sided attack on people that are enjoying the game, despite the vast majority of people bringing forward criticisms doing so in a thoughtful, constructive, inoffensive, and well-mannered way.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

God, DON'T get me started on them, AND the problem is, the community largely SUPPORTS them! Yeah, they can be great for driving players to a goal, and getting players back into games for each season, but they are inherently AWFUL. This is a trend I absolutely detest in games. Literally, like every game has one now too! It's a matter of severity; just how much they expect you to grind for it. Combining fomo with it all too.. "Oh it's just cosmetics".. I LIKE cosmetics. -.-

People will pay for cosmetics. They will gleefully pay dearly for cosmetics they are highly unlikely to ever obtain from that accursed gacha. FOMO is cancer, and I gladly condemn any who defend it for whichever crusade they woke up and chose to embark upon that day.

Well, given how even some of the most ardent naysayers around here who left for a bit still came back and are actively playing again, apparently the answer is "not yet."

Also, the "play other games" thing has been around for years (it's nothing new), and it simply points out how FFXIV allows you to do exactly that without feeling like you've fallen insurmountably behind. It's a game that actually values your time and basic healthy things like diversifying what you play for fun rather than no-lifing one game.

After his most recent break, as soon as he reappeared so did a whole giant group of you who all vanished around the same time. That's definitely not suspicious at all.

Have people just missed the fact that a free login campaign took place recently? I highly doubt those posters who apparently according to some hate this game are paying a dime at this point in time. Why would they, when Square is so willing to let them game and post for the low, low price of free?

[Theodric]

Gonna have to disagree that negativity being accepted is a recent development. From my own experiences here, the negative side of the scales have always been more heavy and vocal here (I still have the scars from early Endwalker debates regarding Venat…) then the positive. Its levels have changed up and down sure over time and years, but I do not think one can accuse this place of being at a level of ‘toxic positivity’ other media sites are.

'Scars'? Again, see my previous post. The criticism of Venat was equal to calling it silly writing that she wasn't held to the same standards as the antagonists in the game. The criticism of Venat criticism, meanwhile, revolved around deeply personal insults including but not limited to accusing people of being 'fascists', hating women, homophobic comments, sending death threats, rape threats, insulting the intelligence of the posters in question, ridiculing non-English speakers and creating unhinged conspiracy theories about how everybody critical of the story is secretly the same person.

From what I recall, you engaged in at least some of the threads where such things went down so whilst I admit that you might have genuinely missed it...I must confess to finding it a bit odd to portray Venat fans as the true victims.

[Kickwars]

The victimization part probably. Aren't you one of those who cries "you can't even be positive about the game here" while also countering everything with: "you are in the minohritey!" Well guess what: if YOU are in the Mah-Joh-Ra-Tey than YOU are not the "little victim" or whatever you think you are

How DARE you mock a successful BUSINESS OWNER with SOCIAL SKILLS who has totally NEVER countered others with "you're in the minority!!"

Weird. I am the business owner of a multimillion dollar small business that relies on social skills. I’ve been married for 16 years and am active in my local community.

I think you'd alienate far more people in the MMO genre then the extremely bizarre minority that "needs" this to play the game and isn't willing to mod quietly.

No, at the end of the day they [streamers] are still just the barometer of their own opinions.

Yes, 4 people thinking their “hot take” on a topic that’s already at the top of the forum needs it’s very own thread is nothing new here.

[Absimiliard]

I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with your attempt to insult me, which is "self-awareness". You can claim I am not aware of the history of these forums outside the times I'm here, which is true. But that has nothing to do with self-awareness. I also disagree that negativity being widespread is only "fairly recent" unless you consider years of this to be "fairly recent."

It in fact does. You make frequent statements to the effect of "we can't be positive here because we get attacked" while going out of your way to attack and belittle people for bringing forth criticisms. That does speak of a lack of self-awareness. You do the very things you continually accuse others of, which is precisely why I outlined those things.

Speaking of actual self-awareness, was it not you who just compalined in the positive thread about being insulted, when that's what you do here? Now THAT is a lack of self-awareness.

As I see it, that was a statement of fact. If you choose to take it as an insult, that is your prerogative.