Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
Oh really? I never would have known in my 8+ years of playing, thank you for such an eye-opening and informative statement. (/s) - Regardless of whether the progression is rendered moot in the long-term scheme of things, this does not matter nor does it detract from the satisfaction that one might have in achieving an objective, this has by far got to be one of the most reductive arguments I've quite possibly seen in a while, most especially when you don't seem to take the common courtesy of reading the post.

The argument was never whether these were needed, just whether the reward and the requirement therein would match, most especially for something that is known to be a relic. At the very least a better tool than pentamelded, that is what a progressive system is meant to be, which is what the relic system is at its core.

No, my argument is not built on the assumption that every player uses macro crafts. It is built on the fact that absolutely everyone can craft the recipes required for the relic with drastically under-tuned stats that otherwise wouldn't be possible with even Pactmaker, or the more appropriate Indagator gear. If you feel insistent that this is not the case then I am more than happy to provide you with some evidence showing that it is otherwise possible without BiS, or pentameld.

Furthermore, I never disputed otherwise. My only dispute with respect to this was that if people wish for a tool that is measurably better than Indagator gear then more effort should be required to obtain such, either through an iterative/progressive system or through a more outright stringent grind to do so. Not that people should not have the tool in the first place. So how about you stop, read the posts, and then think, re-read them again, and then think, then reply in the future?
You once again fail horribly at making any actual sense in your arguments. Time and time again, people have pointed out the point of relics as a means for catch up progression for the general audience, which is the entire point. It's the same thing with how weapon relics are handled, except in this case probably a lot more useful considering weapon upgrades are dropped within every patch while crafter/gatherer upgrades get dropped every other patch. With Indigator being the last set we get till 7.0 and guess how many patches we have left before then? You also fail to realize we'll be getting more recipes later with bigger demands in craft and quality demands. By next patch, Indigator tools will be worthless since the relics will exceed its stats and have better bonuses.

Seriously cant wait to see you make a fool of yourself again by 6.4 when you'll obviously make another thread like this still trying to defend this point.