The expansion on the horizon

[fay2]

It's really worth outlining that for the most part any previous things that seemed to be 'hints' at what would happen in the future are actually the other way around from what that would imply: as outright admitted by the writers,

And this changes how we consume it how? we still play the game the way we play it.
the hints/clues are there even if unintended are still hints/clues of things to come.

how it usually works is that they leave a bunch of random lingering plot threads without intended solutions--usually intentionally, sometimes by mistake--and then later on they decide where they actually want to go and tie things back to those leftover threads to flesh it out and give it legitimacy.

usually intentionally
so basically counteracting your own 1st point.
those loose story threads are the future plans and not done without rhyme or reason if done intentionally.

some are expanded upon

Warriors of Darkness. They weren't some far-flung called shot for where the devs would send us six years afterwards; they were just a Cool Thing that they wrote without any distinct future plans to use them, that they later realized they could do something with..

They where another piece to the reflections 10 and 3 background puzzle at the time
I think that's rather disingenuous to say "that they wrote without any distinct future plans to use them"
the reflections 10 and 3 later expanded into the knowledge we call the 13 shards now

i think better to point out could be a cool thing turned into something is

this is Ochson


At the time people thought it was Emet's familiar
more recently people think its Watcher's animal avatar {silly that is the opo opo}

However It makes most sense it is Ochson's animal avatar
he watched us save the 1st following the hole way back to the source and on to save Etheirys. Not without helping on the way -Zodiarc's moon prison wind aspect didn't brake and held out I suspect Oschon’s {who is wind espected} intervention involved. this would also lead to Oschon taking the watcher or unnamed opo opo under his wing. now the watchers charged watch had come to an end with zodiarc's death.

While we are on that the alliance raid for Endwalker has increased the shards we have visited at this point we have visited 6 shards



The 1st , 2nd , 3rd , 6th , 12th and 13th
Or story wise atm in order of entering 13th 1st 12th 2nd 3rd 6th

the 10th and 5th still to come if they just do 2 more in the next part
the 7th seems like to be given to the watcher to watch over as a new purpose now Zodiarc is gone.

This all seems long term to me as a way to get us to intervene in things happening in the remaining shards for the 12 as their proxy. there are silly likely black mask ascians still tolling away on the remaining aether rich shards.
The 8th or 9th are the most likely candidates as they seem to skip straight over the 4th and it would surprise me there are interdimensional allagans there that put it into the to hard basket so bit like the 1st abundance of light,
seems more liking hey will pop up when they pull the deep space allagans return and we get them fighting against control of the star now the threat of the Endsinger is gone.

Re-joining could still happen without a plan from the ascians in the 12's eyes and they caused the 1st calamity/re-joining the calamity of wind. It all happened with the best of intentions the 12 guarded the source the ascians destroyed the 13th, the 12 opened gates to the shards to try to intervene only to cause the wind calamity, rather a dampener on their original goals. The ascians would chalk it up as their on doing the finding the gates the 12 made as the link between source and shard they didn’t have when they did what they did with the 13th.

the 3rds gate when the calamity of earth was likely where the new world is now and the cause of tis creation.
The 1st gate is has helped in causing the burn and we have likely already used


the 10ths gate was most likely the whorl present 12 mythos has the god pop out of.
but maybe more

This alliance raid in endwalker has turn on its head a lot of commonly held lore.
What if this wasn’t just an ordinary ark of the source during the 6th calamity but really an ark to save lives from the 10th shard re-joining. That the magic called “flow” and Y’stola’s get out of danger card was really made for, most likely Thaliak intervened here.

The descendants of the ark would go on to revere Thaliak. Not Llymlaen.

But that 'the next expansion will be on this planet' isn't exactly a bet with long odds.

Actually I said

sailing adventure here we come lol

Do the odds really matter to you?
I'm guessing you missed my clarification and initial expanding on the opening comment too,
found there

My personal take away was we'll be circumnavigating Etheirys.

As for the reasons I think that will be a number of stars aligning most like due to the whispers of 12 steering things to help meet their goals that I touched one earlier in this post.

The best example of it probably isn't Ishgard (which we know was planned to be a future location for the 1.0 devs who planted those seeds, so it's rather a different case),.

Ok there has been a ship being build in Moraby drydocks for 5 expantions now that needs to finish now the factors of the garlean war threat are off the table they can get on getting on and finish it.

[MikkoAkure]

this is Ochson


At the time people thought it was Emet's familiar
more recently people think its Watcher's animal avatar {silly that is the opo opo}

However It makes most sense it is Ochson's animal avatar
he watched us save the 1st following the hole way back to the source and on to save Etheirys. Not without helping on the way -Zodiarc's moon prison wind aspect didn't brake and held out I suspect Oschon’s {who is wind espected} intervention involved. this would also lead to Oschon taking the watcher or unnamed opo opo under his wing. now the watchers charged watch had come to an end with zodiarc's death.

It's painfully obvious that Oschon's familiar is the opo-opo. Unless the writers are trying to throw an extreme red herring out there, Oschon's familiar is the only one not hanging around and Deryk fits the bill for being Oschon himself.

While we are on that the alliance raid for Endwalker has increased the shards we have visited at this point we have visited 6 shards

I don't believe we have. Those 4 shards you are pointing to have been destroyed completely and utterly, reduced to aether and absorbed into the Source as part of separate Calamities. Unless we're told that they're actually remnants of absorbed shards, all of the EW Alliance raids take place in the "Godly Realm" including the hub zone.

Ok there has been a ship being build in Moraby drydocks for 5 expantions now that needs to finish now the factors of the garlean war threat are off the table they can get on getting on and finish it.

We use other ships to travel from Limsa to Kugane and Sharlayan so "they're building a ship since ARR" doesn't mean too much. That unfinished ship is also mentioned in MSQ or sidequests in ARR so I don't think it will ever be finished anyway.

[Cleretic]

We use other ships to travel from Limsa to Kugane and Sharlayan so "they're building a ship since ARR" doesn't mean too much. That unfinished ship is also mentioned in MSQ or sidequests in ARR so I don't think it will ever be finished anyway.

Fay pulling up that ship as some sort of huge plot hook is kind of a great example of how they're the sort of person who thinks every single thing MUST be some future clue, that nothing is allowed to just be a thing that's there because it's cool or makes sense. You know why there's an under-construction boat at the Moraby Drydocks? Because it's a dry dock and that's what dry docks are for! You know what happens when they finish building that boat, which probably isn't special? They build another one, and that one's probably not special either.

Not everything has to tie into some deep-seated web of mysteries hinting to the future, and not every future plan has to be teased in everything beforehand. Sometimes, a shoebill is just a shoebill.

And you don't need to unveil some 'papers on corkboards connected with string'-style conspiracy board to end on a prediction of the next expansion being in the New World or Meracydia. I agree that that's where we're going, I think most people with predictions agree, but the logic is less 'I have discovered secret hinted truths despite the developers saying there aren't any' and more 'that's a pretty ready-to-go adventure in a place we know just enough about to be interested'.

[Zero-ELEC]

Worse is, the Victory was already an integral part of the Limsa Lominsa starting quests, as part of the sahagin and Reavers' (and Black Masked Ascian's) plot to destabilise the region and kidnap thralls for Leviathan, as well as the side quests for the area. It did get used. It's might not be "just" a ship, but it already served it's purpose, plotwise.

It, like anything else in ARR areas, is now in the time bubble of "well, previous expansion areas can't get updated geometry" so even if they ever finished it in-universe, the thing is stuck there forever.

[Cleretic]

Worse is, the Victory was already an integral part of the Limsa Lominsa starting quests, as part of the sahagin and Reavers' (and Black Masked Ascian's) plot to destabilise the region and kidnap thralls for Leviathan, as well as the side quests for the area. It did get used. It's might not be "just" a ship, but it already served it's purpose, plotwise.

Yeah, this is the sort of thing that occurs to me with this sort of speculation; I didn't start in Limsa so I didn't know this stuff exactly, but a lot of these things have self-contained reasons why they're presented the way they are. If someone keeps insisting everything must be secretly planned as a plot hook for the future, they devalue the thing it actually is. The ship in the Drydocks is both a notable part of quests, and also an important way to communicate the actual purpose of the Moraby Drydocks, since... again, it's a dry dock, that's what they're for. An empty dry dock wouldn't communicate nearly as much to you, especially since dry docks aren't the most immediately identifiable thing to your average person.

Before jumping to the assumption of 'we see the entire planet from the moon, this must be a hint towards the next expansion', it's better to first consider that maybe the reason we can see the whole planet from the moon because of course you'd see the whole planet from the moon, that's the main aesthetic appeal of going to the moon.

[Alleluia]

Fay pulling up that ship as some sort of huge plot hook is kind of a great example of how they're the sort of person who thinks every single thing MUST be some future clue, that nothing is allowed to just be a thing that's there because it's cool or makes sense. You know why there's an under-construction boat at the Moraby Drydocks? Because it's a dry dock and that's what dry docks are for! You know what happens when they finish building that boat, which probably isn't special? They build another one, and that one's probably not special either.

I'm not arguing a drydock can't just be a drydock, but I do want to point out that the particular boat *is* supposed to be special.

Worse is, the Victory was already an integral part of the Limsa Lominsa starting quests, as part of the sahagin and Reavers' (and Black Masked Ascian's) plot to destabilize the region and kidnap thralls for Leviathan, as well as the side quests for the area. It did get used. It's might not be "just" a ship, but it already served it's purpose, plotwise.

It, like anything else in ARR areas, is now in the time bubble of "well, previous expansion areas can't get updated geometry" so even if they ever finished it in-universe, the thing is stuck there forever.

I don't understand why they couldn't update the Victory not being in dry dock? Just put an invisible wall around it so you can't land on it and voila, you can phase tech it as needed?


My wild speculation is that Golbez is planning on connecting the 13th with the source in a bid to allow his people access to a life stream that actually lets them die, and also aether to sustain themselves. He's gonna succeed, creating a stronger void presence either in Eorzea or, more likely, on one of the unvisited continents. I'd prefer the New World, cus I want Tiamat's brood to catch a dang break. lol But yeah, we'll be dealing with that.

But, given the history of set up in patch storylines not really paying off until at least two expansions after they happen, I could see the above being 8.0 as well. We can stick to a mundane threat/exploration expac for 7.0, for all I care. But I don't think we're gonna have that, with Yoshi-P hinting that the end of the patch storyline is gonna be just as much of a paradigm shift as the 7th Umbral Calamity was, story-wise.

Other off the wall speculation: Who knows, we might get (more) aliens. That message Omega received at the end of EW's nostalgia questline implied there was at least one more species still alive out there. Or there had been at some point, anyway.

[fay2]

lol seems I missed a bit when I cut and paste to get about the character count plus it was late

Ok there has been a ship being build in Moraby drydocks for 5 expantions now that needs to finish now the factors of the garlean war threat are off the table they can get on getting on and finish it.

-----The missing bit-----
Plus an expansion on the high seas wouldn’t be negligent not to have a few nods to the limsa opening quests
I find a lot of ul’dah starters feel more invested in StB than most other city sate starters find it ,with how tied Ul’dah and Ala Mhigo are narratively.

Longer still the “crossed gun” guild in Limsa 1.0 devs seeded in and has stayed unlike the other unutilized guilds which were removed in the start ARR or the case of gamblers “2 dice” guild flags in ul’dah removed by HW.



A Buccaneers job would be great to add for a sea fairing expansion as the poster job of the expansion of the WoL.


Lastly to add to all this would be Merlwyb's word in the patchs of EW
Merlwyb is doer not a sayer this will happen so long as she lives



with that missing bit now done and and posted. now back to the thread lol

We use other ships to travel from Limsa to Kugane and Sharlayan so "they're building a ship since ARR" doesn't mean too much. That unfinished ship is also mentioned in MSQ or sidequests in ARR so I don't think it will ever be finished anyway.

So this bit was the threads focus after I posted for a time
lol what I get for not checking my post after posting I guess



Seeing this ship launched feels like something a lot of people from a Limsa start would find a great a true start to new adventure on the open ocean.


As for this idea it’s stuck in asset on the map they can’t change
that wouldn’t stop them They have removed similar things before for story reasons

here’s an example




Also seems people are straight over looking the fact the ocean could be zones we have an under used swimming/diving function in game

There are heaps over myths about undersea/ocean places
Davy Jones locker
Atlantis
Polynesia myth has a realm of demons under the ocean
that come to mind quickly

Lol just think Cannibalistic islander Lalas how the table would turn
being a lot of people j/k lalas are food lol
or getting thrown into a volcano to appease its god

What if there that a thunder plain under the ocean of a zone

In fact there are a lot they could do with that like have us start a zone in dropped the middle of it for once because we fell though the ocean once we get the aether currents we can escape the zone back into the ocean above and ship above that

It's painfully obvious that Oschon's familiar is the opo-opo. Unless the writers are trying to throw an extreme red herring out there, Oschon's familiar is the only one not hanging around and Deryk fits the bill for being Oschon himself.

We could get stuck on familiars over animal avatars,
but really
I'm guessing you missed the interaction between Krile and Deryk about the Opo opo

I don't believe we have. Those 4 shards you are pointing to have been destroyed completely and utterly, reduced to aether and absorbed into the Source as part of separate Calamities. Unless we're told that they're actually remnants of absorbed shards, all of the EW Alliance raids take place in the "Godly Realm" including the hub zone.

Its fair to believe we haven't, however we just spent the initial expansion learning about Dynamis even going to an area primarily made of said Dynamis.

While the Aether content of the rejoined shards have returned to the source nothing was stated about the Dynamis of those Shards returning.